USE LINUX
This is such an own goal it’s almost a meme at this point.
You know why Linux doesn’t have this shit? Because it hasn’t attracted the ire of the marketing team. Do you know why that is? Because the fraction of target users using Linux is TINY. It’s not worth the expensive engineering effort, especially when you consider the demographic using Linux is unlikely to fall for this shit.
The more you win the “use linux” argument, the more the argument won’t make sense. The day Linux gets enough user share to justify it, is the day all this shit starts happening on Linux.
Also it’s much easier to disable on Linux and not every distro uses the same program to start apps on boot so most annoying programmes can’t find it. Discord (which I would ideally move away from if my friends didn’t use it) certainly thinks it’s enabled on startup somehow.
Windows seems to start some startup apps before you log in also worries me as that means malware could start before you are able to remove it and I don’t know how to reach tty mode before reaching a gui so yeah…
They hated him because he spoke the truth
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News just in, Jesus Christ fucks for Linux. News at 5
I’ll buy that for a dollar
That’s a spicy meat-a-ball!
Lol it’s everywhere here
For good reason, made the switch around the same time joining lemmy and haven’t looked back.
prep a live usb and try a few different window managers on whatever distro you align with, (hearing lime is easiest for beginners) youl know when you arrived home.
For me that was here
That was not even the longest winded “I use Arch btw.”
If you hate learning useful life skills, don’t use Linux! I use Arch BTW. 😉
Nice dots!
Yeah I also switched because of here and longtime frustration with windows.
WE HEARD YOU.
Ow, would you all stop screaming already? It is hurting my ears. 🙁
Nope
Normally I’m cool with all the suggestions to use Linux when Windows is making itself worse. It provides a FOSS alternative that avoids the new anti-feature.
But this is not an attack on Windows. Linux has startup apps as well.
Nope you need systemd or something else to start them as far as I know.
I’ve never had any startup apps (Linux mint)
It’s okay if you want to click things all the time
So what, when you turn on your computer it goes straight to the BIOS menu?
KDE starts whatever was left open on my distro, and that did cause issues with apps that minimize on close, but I learned to close from taskbar and I understand why those apps do that. I actually had a harder time getting my vpn to start on startup
Linux apps generally don’t ask for this permission unnecessarily though. I remember back when I used windows everything I installed was bundling its own update manager that runs at startup etc.
Laughs in portage/zypper/apt/pacman
I wonder if you could integrate pacman into Gentoo. What a beautiful monstrosity it would be!
Or paludis
Gnutard
He didn’t even /anything with his Linux. I think that charge is incorrect
How about no
c’mon man knock it off
signed, a fellow linux user
You’ve gotta let FrankTheHealer shout from the rooftops. He has windows to heal
Buying a NVME was the best decision I made about tech.
it’s pirated adobe, right?
Right?
My boss pays for it.
So… kinda?
Does the Creative Cloud logo show up if you’ve blocked outgoing Adobe traffic in your firewall?
This is 2024–the cracks use real CC now.
Must be, i am 69% sure the paid versions of adobe are exclusive ment for the kind of large businesses that can afford MacBooks for some employees.
Nice.
Windows 10/11: Ctrl+alt+delete, click on task manager, click on autostart applications (left panel), setup your applications for autostart
Ctrl+Shift+Escape open task manager directly. Very useful hotkey
People still use CCleaner?
Gross, Windows.
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Jokes on you they’re running FreeBSD
Daily driving Windows in 2024 is like eating McDonalds for every meal.
I mean, sure, it is popular…
Unless you’re not an idiot lol.
Literally wrote that comment on a MacBook, lol.
Eew Apple
Don’t worry, it’s just the front end for the Linux server since it has a nice track pad.
Lol
To be fair they didn’t say they used Linux, so you’re sorta wrong in this case.
I use fedora btw.
i have a potato laptop with only 4gb of ram, safe to say most startup apps are off
Could you upgrade the ram or is it ddr2?
Lol nice parody
I prefer the “putting your swap on gdrive” joke
The site won’t load for me, but does this download dedotated wam?
It does indeed.
Throw in the official Runescape launcher
it is steam, keepassxc, protonvpn and corectrl for me, I have st them up to do that myself but the pop ups while launching are still annoying. At least I have -silent flag on steam so it starts in the background without showing a window
McAfee is actual malware at this point anyway
CCleaner is too nowadays. How far it it has fallen…
What do you mean at this point?! It’s been malware for almost two decades!
And almost Every. Fucking. Manufacturer. Installs it as bloatware :/
They get paid to do so. It’s not like they just install McAfee at random.
Oh I know, but still they couldn’t find some other software to get paid by? Like damn diversify already, find something fresh and interesting you can get paid to install lol
Like WebTangent or whatever it was called, it was bloatware, but it was bloatware games that were kinda fun. I would always play a few games before I purged that one, but I haven’t seen it in years now
I almost felt the same way about MalwareBytes. I know it’s actually useful but it hassled me so much about upgrading to premium that it was more annoying than having actual malware.
CCleaner also hasn’t been necessary since at least Windows 7. I remember working in a PC repair shop when people would just arbitrarily run CCleaner on its most aggressive settings whether it was needed or not and it would always break more things than it fixed.
I mostly used it to clear out various caches and cookies, and invalid or no longer necessary file type extensions, folders and so on.
Was very handy for that, and usually freed up a surprising amount of disk space (back when a few gigs more or less made a huge difference)
And even if it was, why tf have it open on startup? It should be run like, manually once a month at most.
Imagine needing an antivirus
This comment was made by Linux gang
Imagine thinking you’re immune to malware
Don’t download shady exes, run ublock origin, force https, use a vpn, and reroute your DNS lookups. It’s super easy to not download viruses and malware.
I agreed with you up to the “use a vpn” part. That’s just wasting money and adding extra steps for the sake of paranoia.
If you’re using SSL/TLS and not blindly bypassing invalid certificate warnings, you’re not going to have your device or accounts compromised by the hacker boogeyman.
Some VPNs advertise they stop malware so I get why they say that but you’re right.
They hide your browsing from your ISP (and probably your government)
They hide your origin and substitute another for web sites.
I’d say a VPN is only useful to people engaging in crime, or things that look like crime and those buying services that are priced differently around the world
That provide no protection against things you might click on
There are far more uses for a VPN. For instance if I want to access my NAS while outside my home.
My VPN saves me 100s of dollars a year I would otherwise be spending on subscription services.
You have a good reason to use a VPN: bypassing region restrictions (or piracy). The people subscribed to a VPN service for security reasons usually don’t*.
* Excluding those living under a censorship heavy government.
Nobody is immune to it, but it’s a lot less common for sketchy websites to provide malware downloads specifically targeting Linux PCs. The market share is nonexistent, the average user is more technically inclined, and the desktop environment ecosystem is full of variations that make it difficult to develop a one-size-fits-all solution.
It simply isn’t worth it for most malware creators to focus on Linux desktops. Servers are a different story, but that malware is planted by humans or automated intrustion tools.
That being said, none of this precludes stupidity. If somebody downloads
Oppenheimer-1080p.mkv.exeand opens it in WINE, you can bet your ass that the ransomware malware will do its job just fine.
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Even Windows doesn’t really even need a 3rd party anti-virus anymore. The built in windows defender has gotten so good as to really be all you need for active protection unless you’re insanely stupid and keep bypassing it. Use Malwarebytes for deep file scans once in a blue moon, and you’re golden.
windows defender has gotten so good
It’s only good at detecting windows&office activation tools. I have never ever seen it detect anything other than those.
It’s been good since Windows 7. The reason Windows has so many updates is for security.
first party antivirus is still antivirus
It’s still not actually needed for experienced users though, I haven’t had a virus in over 10 years, so it hasn’t had anything to catch.
Boy oh boy did it freak the fuck out about the exe I compiled myself from a python script I wrote myself, though. Had to specifically exclude it from defender to stop it from quarantining it every time it ran. All it does is check to see if a link on a website has been updated since last look…
This is the main takeaway that people seem to be missing: follow good computer hygiene, and you’ll be fine.
Keep your shit updated, and don’t download/run things you don’t trust. Keep an unintrusive anti-virus running in the background as a backup just in case there’s a supply chain attack, but don’t rely on it to make your decisions on whether to open a file or not.
golden rules of PC hygine:
don’t use an admin account as your main account
if you haven’t directly triggered it yourself, the answer to that pop-up is “no”
Hate to tell you this, but Linux nor MacOS are safe without AV
It’s just Windows, by far, has the largest share of active systems so everyone targets it. Both MacOS and Linux have their own share of bonafide viruses though
Hate to tell you this, but nuh-uh! My Linux server is just going through a phase where it likes to collect porn ads and share credit card info with Russia!
have their own share
for Reeeeeeeeeeally small values of ‘share’.
"Wait! There was Lion! And … … … "
I don’t even use windows defender. Never had any issues. (My windows PC is primarily for gaming)
Do you have windows 8, 10 or 11?
Defender has been on in the background this entire time and you don’t even know it. It is on by default and incredibly hard to truly disable.
Windows 11. It’s not that hard to completely remove. I have also removed Bluetooth and lots of other non essential functions. There are plenty of tools on GitHub that can do it. You can also just use a custom ISO.
All of them use the wim_uninstall thing, right?
XP is best!
Hasn’t a bunch of malware spyware and other malicious shit been found all over decades old Linux stuff the last couple months?
IIRC, that was more about auditing the “supply chain” of apps and Linux. Some college kids were purposefully trying to get malware on the mainline Linux repo and obviously got themselves banned from touching Linux.
Otherwise it’s just been normal security vulnerability type stuff? There was also a long-existing bug found in a very common library recently, but that’s very solidly in the normal flow of security research, the bug just happened to be sitting there a while.
Linux of course is a target and has malware. It’d be completely stupid of attackers to ignore Linux because the vast majority of servers run it. It’s a readily available target with lots of goodies on those servers.
I don’t think it was just some college kids, I could have sworn their professor was specifically getting his students to perform as bad actors to support some super-biased research papers he was trying to publish.
Yeah but this wasn’t recent, this one was like 4 or 5 years ago unless it happened again. If I remember correctly it got the entire University’s email address banned from contributing to the kernel
Oh yeah, I get what you’re saying. Yeah, two completely separate instances. Although, from the sound of it, there are a surprising number of people who seem to think that sabotaging Linux and hacking Linux are the same thing. I mean, I guess a pirate can sail on any ship, right?
Yeah but antivirus software doesn’t pick up zero days, which is what you should really be concerned about.
I had some Chinese radios a few years ago, they were proper radios that you could program for all sorts of stuff. I had the software on a USB stick, then plugged it in about 5 years later - pinged up with all sorts of viruses that weren’t detected previously.
They don’t pick up anything that they don’t know about, so once the zero day is known the antivirus/malware can find and remove it I thought.
They don’t catch zero-day exploits, as those are vulnerabilities in programs that were discovered to be used in the wild. They will eventually catch the malware dropped through those exploits, though.
is this a windows thing that im too linux to understand
When your Linux machine is so efficient on resources that it doesn’t even try to run your video card or wifi dongle…
My linux desktop: “Nvidia? Hmm. Yuck, no thank you.”
Linux was right on that one. Yuck nvidia.
… not necessarily their hardware, but business practices.
(For those who don’t know, that’s Linus Torvalds, the guy who made Linux, and the quote is real.)
Thats actually the guy who made git
I got some good drivers with flatpak (I think) but I dare not update my Nvidia drivers or lightdm will complain. Next PC will be an AMD card thank you. (probably going to be a few years though)
yes
Only 3 of them even run on my OS. Good.
Y’all know about changing your startup programs right?
I have almost all apps disabled on startup.
If i want it running i will start it, i assure you.
I recognize most of these, but what are the purple ring and the rainbow one?
the purple ring is GOG Galaxy, another game store/launcher. No clue what the rainbow one is lol
The ring is GOG, a game launcher and the rainbow is Adobe creative cloud.
Ah yes, modern iconography. Such a simple shape, that even googling “purple ring logo” yeilds no useful results.
Rainbow is adobe creative cloud
Purple ring is GoG Galaxy, a games launcher for GoG games with support for plugins to launch games from other games launchers as well.
Rainbow one is Adobe Creative Cloud, a program to manage Adobe services such as Photoshop and Premiere.
Gog Galaxy just doesn’t function on mine, I can download and install game but when I try to run it it just auto crashes I gave up on it. The only reference to it is some weird Windows 7 error but considering I’m running on 10 it doesn’t make any sense that that would be affecting it.
meanwhile linux users
also who uses epic games
Better sales than Steam and free games all the time? What idiot is actively avoiding them?
I actively avoid it on principle. Same with EA, Ubisoft, and Activision. Buy stuff that aligns with your values and don’t cave just because we need to try the shiny new thing.
A few free games every year isn’t enough to get me to forgo any of that.
“a few free games” it releases a free game every other week basically lol, not that they all are golden eggs but like, that’s a lot of games. I never got the avoid on principle argument, if anything only claiming the freebies is taking more from the company then just pretending it doesn’t exist
A few free games as in games I actually want to play. Claiming freebies makes you access their eco system which makes you a customer whether you spend money or not.
Epic pays for the freebies on the expectation that X copies will be redeemed. If more people redeem the game than that, they don’t pay any extra. If less people redeem the game than they paid for, they overpaid (to the benefit of the developer).
I never got the avoid on principle argument
A bullet point summary of why people dislike Epic:
- Epic Games’ CEO, Tim Sweeny, is an absolute knob.
- He acts out the role of the messiah coming to save PC gamers from the Steam “monopoly”
- Epic’s actions demonstrate that he wants to monopolise PC gaming
- Epic has a slide deck (released as part of their Apple lawsuit) that outlines their strategy involving paying influencers to “disrupt organic engagement” in their competitors (specifically, Steam).
- Epic purchased, gutted, and resold Bandcamp.
- Epic, as a company, unethically monitises Fortnite by using dark patterns to trick kids into paying for skins.
- Epic has a tendency to pay for timed exclusivity rights of crowdfunded games as a way to force people onto their platform.
- Epic support is known to often permanently lock your account when compromised, rather than help get it back.
- Tencent is a significant shareholder of Epic. (For those that care)
The “avoiding them out of principle” argument comes from people refusing to be a statistic that benefits the company.
This is not important to many people, but “actively hostile to Linux users”. Like, vocally nasty about it. They’re not only publicly dicks about it, their launcher software self-immolates regularly.
this is my only real annoyance with the out of the entire list that was posted, I dislike that they have zero Linux support at all and go out of their way to disable any type of compatibility layers, the rest while I agree are bad, I don’t see them bad enough to shoot myself in the foot and not grab freebies. I won’t spend money on the platform cause steam is 10000% superior in every area but, free is free
The irony of criticizing epic for wanting to monopolize PC gaming when steam already did that, and did it intentionally from the very beginning as well
I can’t speak for others, but my problem with them isn’t that they want to monopolise PC gaming. It’s the blatant hypocrisy of trying to paint itself as being good for PC gaming while doing so.
Helping steam keep its monopoly isn’t much of a principle.
But I like proton… (I know I can use proton for non steam games)
That’s a lot of games I can’t play based on what you’ve said.
Yeah and if you don’t have similar principals to mine it’ll continue to feel like a sacrifice that may or may not be worth pursuing.
Truthfully I don’t feel like I’m missing out at all. Those developers have been pumping out trash for years.
Well I use the website to get the free games. I barely missed any so far and played like 5 of them using Heroic.
