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We have a perfectly good collider at home.
After 22.5 km (14 mi) of tunnel had been bored and about US$2 billion spent, the project was canceled by the US Congress in 1993.
LMAO
Should have had. That was sad when we gave that up in favor of military spending
However, it also wouldn’t have been as big
I think it was more due to the ISS, Reagan only wanted one international science project
Meanwhile, Star Wars.
Our collider is now two baseball pitchers aimed at each other.
As a former Texan, yes that’s a city name. And you’ll probably pronounce it correctly.
Wax-a-hatch-y?
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I’d rather have a 100km particle collider than an aircraft carrier.
What if we build it on a 100km aircraft carrier? Think of the possibilities! heh
What if we put an aircraft carrier into a particular accelerator and spin it up to the speed of light?
The sailors would probably get dizzy.
We can only get to 99.999998% or so (I might be off by a decimal) so I think it would just result in light bruising (though probably at the atomic level which tends to sting a bit more).
Always a relevant Onion
It better have a particle collider on it
that would just be the Halo from Halo
Throw in Jurassic Park and some jet engines and we’ve got Ark
That’d be kinda cool. Ace Combat ass aircraft carrier
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its labourers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
Last good Republican change my mind
His foreign relations record includes a hell of a lot of ratfucking the third world, including being so paranoid about communism he ended up pushing quite a few nations into the Soviet sphere when the coups didn’t work (Cuba, cough cough cough) and directly enabling some of history’s greatest monsters when they did, but he is an American president so grade that on a curve I guess
Yep, it went downhill from there, just so ya know
Exactly. I like Ike, in comparison to other U.S. presidents. He had some good ideas, but we have a really shitty track record with the rest of the world, and he’s no exception to that.
In a ideal word, sure, I’d too. But we live among fucking beasts.
You are fucking beasts
The purpose of military is always dual: to deflect other country’s military and to “protect national interests” (read: attack another country that now has to have military too, and may consider using it for an attack).
Wildly assuming you are American, you should have no issue understanding that defensive forces are not really always defensive.
I am from Europe, from country invaded by nazi Germany so I know well what means an oppressive use of army. But could you give an alternative to the army?
Uhm…no army?
We have to push politicians to drive UN-scale policies on demilitarization - not this playful “lemme dismantle 10 rockets and call it a day” demilitarization, but a real effort - and expanding mutual defence-type alliance (could be NATO expansion if they’re gonna get their shit together, or a new bigger alliance) to as many countries as humanly possible in order to reduce their need to rely on their own armies and drastically reduce armed manpower globally.
Switzerland-like militias can help in the transitional period.
I wonder how Switzerland militia would deal with Russian tanks and rockets.
Uhm…no army?
After the Russian invasion do you really believe than all countries in the world will become peaceful and any of them will ever try to invade another?
Which is why I suggested transition into a worldwide military alliance first. One that would cover Ukraine, and even Russia at the end of the conflict if it would like to join.
Any sort of aggression, from members or non-members, should be met with united forces. With such circumstances, you really won’t need that much, even if your plan is to keep forces like US or China at bay, not to mention Russia.
Militias should be there not as a force that can solely defeat an army, but as a stopping force for the initiation of the conflict, while logistics is busy moving troops. And yes - Switzerland is actually equipped to deal with Russian tanks (see demolition of roadways) and rockets (see a vast network of bunkers).
Yeah, if history has taught as nothing else, it’s that the guy with the biggest stick usually wins. There are many criticisms of the U.S. military, but no one could accuse it of being weak. That kind of deterrence is invaluable.
If only they wouldn’t use that force to invade half the planet…
The peace of Americans is paid for by the terror of dozens of nations. It ain’t cool.
I can’t say I disagree. There is much to criticise.
My fear is, this approach is unsustainable in general, and cannot be effectively applied for global security.
It’s not just US military being poorly led.
Idk, I’m not sure I could get much use out of a particular accelerator even if I got it running. An aircraft carrier though might be joyride-able, and that I can understand. Might still be moot since both need a team, but if I get to have either one I’d have to at least think on it.
As much as I love science, and I’d much rather see billions spent on a collider than war, I gotta admit this is funny as hell.
22 billion is just a drop in the bucket to the Committee of 300 on their path to world domination.
First, you try to defend your country. Then, you want to have some advantage for a safety margin. Then, bigger advantage “just in case”. This military play is what is really addictive.
What if they added smaller loops along the main loop, like a roller coaster with loopdy-loops? 🤔
You find a whee! little boson.
Ahh yes, the infamous Dadjoke particle
There will be.
Colliders work best at specific speeds, like gears on a car. The big collider is fed by a smaller one. That one is likely fed by an even smaller one. Eventually, you get small enough that a simple linear accelerator can get the gas up to speed.
Oh, and likely a scientist/engineer grinning manically as they “push the trigger” on the largest rail gun in existence.
Even the ones not pushing the trigger on the biggest rail gun in existence do this.
The doctors do too. It’s… Concerning if you don’t know why they get so excited.
The difference between science, and blowing shit up, is in the recording.
Now that you’ve said this I want to know if other shapes without corners are possible
But also why do they need a bigger collider
Now that you’ve said this I want to know if other shapes without corners are possible
The squircle :)
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Is not only about physics research. The complexity of those projects fund hundreds of sectors and push forward new technologies who will have many commercial use.
…Also they’ve confirmed the existence of this little thing called Higgs Boson which field define pretty much reality, soo… not exactly wasted time.
Hopefully they can finally manufacture black holes. Because that would be totally safe for everyone 😉.
Don’t worry! Though black holes may sound scary, microscopic black holes, the type that could hypothetically be produced by high-energy particle collisions such as this, would pretty much instantaneously (in approximately 10-27 seconds) evaporate due to the emission of Hawking radiation, before they could “suck up” anything. Cosmic rays of far higher intensities than what we could produce routinely collide with atoms in Earth’s atmosphere, so microscopic black holes could be happening daily in our atmosphere, we just never see them because they’re far too small and evaporate instantly.
Hey you seem pretty knowledgeable so I’m gonna just ask - if these types of events happen regularly in earth’s atmosphere, why build particle colliders at all? Is it just to have control over when they’re triggered and to be able to observe the results? If so, wouldn’t it help to just launch more satellites that can observe when these things happen in the atmosphere? Sorry for the dumb questions, I’m very much a layman.
Yup! It’s so they can view what happens when these particles collide as the collisions happen, using specialized detectors. The ATLAS detector at CERN weighs 7,000 tons and is huge.
These reactions in the atmosphere happen very fast and are a bit chaotic. When a primary cosmic ray hits an atom in our atmosphere, it then sets off a chain reaction similar to billiard balls, resulting in “air showers”, which are cascades of subatomic particles, such as hadrons, photons, muons, electrons, as well as ionized nuclei. The colliders allow physicists to view these kinds of reactions under controlled conditions right as the reactions happen, and can adjust things such as the energies. There’s an array of detectors in Argentina which can detect the particles released by an air shower
Maybe that’s what is happening to the ozone layer.
Well no danger of that. We certainly cannot do it on terrestrial scales. No way, no how. Not even with fusion and a collider ring wrapped around the equator. It still requires vastly higher energies.
Even if we could make a kugelblitz black hole right here, it would instantly fall out of reach through the Earth while barely interacting at all with any other particles. On the Planck scale, particles are mostly empty space. We wouldn’t even get to study it.
The best way to build one is to surround a star with millions of orbital mirrors, then focus all the light onto a single point in space, with an accuracy of nanometers, if not picometers. Focusing enough energy on a single point will cause a tiny black hole to form. It’s probably impossible to do by accident.
I’ll show you my kugelblitz black hole.
Similar reactions produced by particle accelerators are constantly happening all around us, and isn’t just limited to extreme conditions like around black holes. This is just the same thing but at a much smaller and more controlled scale, and last I checked the sun hasn’t produced any world ending black holes despite the far more extreme reactions constantly happening within it. A man even survived a high energy proton beam from one of those accelerators passing through his brain and was able to continue his career in quantum physics, so at that point I doubt they’re capable of anything world ending.
There’s 1 in a trillion trillion chance! So we should be glad we’re not all beautiful beach body people married to the most wonderful and irresistibly sexy megalonymphomaniac people that just want to hump us every single second of the rest of our lives in all possible ways, all of us 8 billion people together. Because if that ever happened, it could only mean one thing, the end of the world as we know it would be coming in the form of a tiny black hole.
There are plenty of natural particles colliders, such as black holes or very dense stars, that are way more powerful than our engineered particle colliders, which (observationally) don’t create black holes around them
They posit that yes, black holes could be formed, but they’re so small they evaporate pretty much instantly. They don’t have the mass to survive.
Awesome. And with reality defined my daily existance and cost of living is. … Exactly the same and killing me. 🙃
Blame your govern, not the science. Science give you medicine, electricity, internet, and all the device you use daily. Your govern put unfair taxes on everything and allow the corporation to exploit your work.
And bigger understanding the gifts, or gravitons helps me how?
Tbh I think its cool as fuck. But playing the role of my socialist SO. Who will have this response when I show her this meme.
Experiment > Understand > Practical use
For example, did you know that the super-small processor that allow us to have a smartphone so small to be pocket-size is only possible thanks to knowledge we have of quantum physic?
https://culturico.com/2020/11/26/your-smartphone-knows-physics-the-science-inside-mobile-devices/
Or how physics discoveries can be fundamental for medicine?
https://www.news-medical.net/health/The-Role-of-Physics-in-Medicine.aspx
Physic is the “Manual of Construction” of this Universe, more pages we find, more the things we can do.
Daily reminder that the World Wide Web was invented at CERN, so somewhere around the LHC highlighted in the picture. Who knows what the next big random innovation will be.
Come on anti-photons!
Not sure if this is just playing with the fact that a photon could be considered its own antiparticle in quantum field theory or if I missed the joke. Please, enlighten me.
How else will we transmogrify enough souls to create a philosopher stone — I mean do science stuff?
Why does he look like that.
genetics
I mean like he’s climaxing extremely hard in the top picture. Where’s the professionalism? I understand he occupies a rather senior role in the organisation, why is he ejaculating in his underwear with rage?
Although he is an odd looking chap, I agree.
This is starting to turn into some Full Metal Alchemist shit. If you know, you know.
I’ll be concerned when it’s the same size as the eclipse’s shadow
NGL though, how great would it be if we could get a neutrino detector big enough to image the moon with the sun as a neutrino source?
Well it was about that time i realized this user was a homunculus in a flask. Get of here homunculus, you ain’t taking my soul.
They say Sloth has already started on the largest tunnel in secret.
…what a drag…
Naa, more like steins gate.
Interferometers are moving to space launches, maybe colliders need to do the same if they keep growing bigger
Would be a fucking nightmare to keep that in any kind of stable orbit.
Just build it as a big ring all the way around the earth
Let’s show Saturn who can do rings better
Just tie some string to it…
The way it’s typed out makes it sound like a Vince Russo quote lol
I feel like this should be required watching for anyone who wants to better understand colliders and the politics around them. BobbyBroccoli made this series on the development of some of them.
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Bold claim from a monkey puppet, jk. I’ve watched his channel it’s really good. I found the videos on the collider to be really interesting.
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How about Robby Ravioli instead?
Bill Nye is literally just called the science guy and we got invaluable information from him.
Well maybe I’ll call up Broccoli Man if I need info on Broccoli
How convenient; you won’t be learning science! You’ll be learning history!
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Of course it was fucking Reagan.
Hopefully without lube.
Also that West Wing episode where a physicist is trying to get funding for our Collider and the staffer is like “what does it do? What practical applications does it have?” and the physicist says none. It’s practical application is discovery. That we discovered penicillin on accident not when we were researching practical applications of injections.
I’m waiting on the equatorial supercollider myself. 40,075km let’s go!
Too small, we need to go bigger.
Ringworld collider, you say?
First the equator, then orbital, then solar, then system, then GALAXY CLASS BITCHES
You need to find another planet
Why bother digging. We just need a loop of magnetic lenses in deep space.
Just after the transcontinental maglev train
They should make it square because squares are cool
One square to rule them all, one square to find them,
one square had roast beef, and one square stayed at home.Imagine the g-forces that kind of turn would create…
Lol two 90s and they’ll turn everything right around
