It’s been forever since I’ve been to 4chan… I’m almost afraid to check out /b/
I checked it out as I was curious. First post was “I sleep with my sister, AMA” and then an AI porn thread with guides and very dangerous lolicon porn.
Do not check it out
Lol dangerous?
Depending on where you live, lolicon can be treated as either:
- You’re imagining wrong, go to jail
- I’ll know it when I see it
- If it looks too real, you go to jail
- Cartoons are not real people
- Only PIV is sex, so as long as there is a couple black lines, it’s legal for all ages
TL;DR: check your local laws before watching Japanese stuff.
CP is illegal and it’s borderline (is what I’m guessing, I haven’t gone)
Do you want the feds at your door?
Porn porn porn porn porn porn porn racism porn. Same as its always been. Maybe more porn now.
I don’t get the AI-porn hate.
Teens use it to generate porn with real classmates.
that is not an argument against AI. We didn’t ban photoshop because people did face swaps.
The harm is in the realisms , this matter when AI generated parn is shared with others.
Teens have been making fake porn for ever. Photoshop someones head on another body. Cut a classmates photo and tape to a magazine centre fold. Before everyone gets their pitchforks, I’m not saying this is not harmful to the victims or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment. This is just another tool.
Let’s change it to grenades.
People have been killing each other forever. Stabbing someone’s chest. Smashing their head in with a rock. Before everyone gets their pitchforks, I’m not saying this is not harmful to the victims or that there should not be consequences for murder. Explosives are just another tool.
At some point this AI-evangelist “it’s just a tool” argument stops holding water. We can’t just enable all people to do things 1) rapidly and 2) at scale without any consideration for how they will use it. Teenagers doing lewd things with images in the 90’s or 80’s or whatever period you want to harken back to also didn’t have the ability to rapidly disseminate this information to, quite literally, the entire world in a matter of seconds.
Why bother with DUI laws if we’re going to go down that road? Why restrict usage of anything with a legitimate purpose?
Imaginary grenades.
Check out the gaming industry, where a kid from the other side of the world can tell you how they will “kill your mom, r*pe your sister, and make you watch” (sic), just before killing and teabagging your corpse in-game. At some point the “it’s just a game” also stops holding water… and yet somehow most people are capable of differentiating the “tool” from the piece of shit using it.
Regarding DUI laws, they’re also wrong, focusing on the effect instead of on the cause. AI is not the cause for generating deep fakes, just like DUI is not the cause for getting drunk, and games are not the cause for being a piece of shit.
Ain’t it interesting how coming up with a consistent framework, makes it applicable to different areas of life?
Imaginary grenades.
Having porn made of you is imaginary?
At some point the “it’s just a game” also stops holding water…
The video game doesn’t produce anything.
AI is not the cause for generating deep fakes,
DUIs can be reduced with public transportation. What do you propose reduces… porn fakes?
Ain’t it interesting how coming up with a consistent framework, makes it applicable to different areas of life?
Fucking lol.
My problem with machine learning porn is that it’s artless generic template spam clogging up my feed of shit I actually want to see. But you know, to each their own.
“Porn made of me”? You mean, by paying me to sign an agreement, or by drugging and/or forcing me…? Just to be perfectly clear: I’m not a photo.
The video game doesn’t produce anything.
Are we talking about the game’s video capture, or the feeling of wanting to puke onto that piece of shit until it drowns?
What do you propose reduces… porn fakes?
Something like “teaching your brat”. Porn fakes don’t even become a problem until they get distributed to others. Adults can go to jail, it works on some.
My problem with machine learning porn is that it’s artless generic template spam clogging up my feed
That… has more to do with tagging and filtering, rather than anything mentioned above.
It’s also somewhat weird to diss the “template” of an AI output, when porn videos have settled on a template script for about half a century already. If anything, I’ve seen more variety from people shoving their prompts into some AI, than from porn producers all my life (japanese “not-a-porn” ingenuity excluded).
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That’s a lack of vision.
I want… people to put on a VR set, and fuck off to their fantasy world instead of messing up IRL. I want creepy incels, rapists, and similar, to have a means to act out their creepiness without impacting real people’s lives. Even more, I want them to prefer their virtual fantasies, because they can control them with a push of a button, instead of brainwashing, gaslighting, grooming, drugging, and finding other ways to control real people.
The faster that AI+VR gets more realistic and easier to use, the better for everyone.
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Was about to respond to your arguments, when…
This is not a good thing. And if this is the world you want, then there is no reasoning with you. You are truly lost.
“My way or the highway”, huh? Ok, guess there is no reasoning with you. 🛣️
I don’t believe that there are any studies that have shown that acting out fantasies in virtual spaces will reduce actions being taken out on real people.
Since it seems like your argument rests on that, do you have anything you can reference to back up the claim?
Are you asking for studies about virtual spaces that don’t exist yet? Seriously?..
For an approximation, you can check some like these:
https://www.psypost.org/violent-video-games-decrease-stress-hormones-study-finds/
I mean, there’s people that think you should be able to own grenades, too. This is actually a bigger philosophical question that deserves a rigorous answer that I rarely see attempted.
Those people are wrong.
Maybe. Most people would agree. But why? Unless you talk about that it’s just flaming back forth, which is not worthy of anyone’s attention.
A far more effective tool
or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment.
This is my thought on it. Deliberately exposing the “model” to such a thing is fucked up. It’s sexual harassment, even if the level of realism is “text only”. But, people should be allowed to make and consume whatever kind of non-real porn they want in private.
I should note this is not what the law says in many nations, including my own.
They are doing it anyway. It’s a plus if they learn one thing or two while doing it
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Right? Who will think of the children! Before computer porn, we used to imagine our classmates, TV hosts, celebrities, and neighbors. Now that (imagination) was a valuable skill!
(I mean, some would also cut&paste faces from one photo onto another, with scissors and glue… but most just used our imagination)
You can’t publicly share nudes from your imagination or pass them out to your friends with five minutes work, something you basically definitionallly have to be doing in order to get caught.
Revenge porn is absolutely a serious method of harassment that does routinely end in suicide even for adults, and it is absurd to compare making it so easy that kids can do it to someone they’ve never talked to in minutes to fantasizing about their classmates.
You can’t publicly share nudes from your imagination or pass them out to your friends with five minutes work
Hey, you don’t know how fast I can draw, internet person!
Revenge porn was there before AI… but somewhat ironically, as more people are likely to label anything from SFX, to game renders, to the lunar landing, as “AI”… even actual recordings of porn used for revenge, are more likely to be dismissed as “just AI”, reducing its impact (no more Kardashians).
People should still take responsibility for educating their little brats, which has nothing to do with whether it’s AI, gun ownership, or “just” bullying.
The issue is that AI has made it so much easier that more people are doing it. The AI cat is out of the bag, but it could do with some tangible legislation
I think it’s funny you talk about revenge porn like it’s just so tiresome and tedious to think about.
“Oh, a hurricane struck Florida again.”
“Oh, there’s revenge porn of my neighbor’s daughter again.”
“What a terrible saturday.”
“Anyway, I think my toast is done.”
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but was unable to reproduce those images in my testing
I bet they worked hard at this…
And where is the evidence? Asking for a friend.
4chan?
The Hacker, you know.
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i remember the good old days, when you had to use scissors to physically cut a head out of a photo, and then glue it to your porno mag
Scissors manufacturers: yet another victim of disruptive technology.
Once again, ancient Rome is conquering the world.
we must ban scissors they’re too dangerous.
Fun fact, there was actually a UK judge that seriously called for points to be taken off of all kitchen knives to prevent stabbings.
I feel like thst would just change stabbing to slashings
Yep. It sounds like a weird hypothetical by a pro-gun activist, and it would be largely ineffective, but the dude seems utterly sincere. It’s not hard to just file something to a point if you’re serious (it happens in literal prison), so at best it make a small number of crimes of passion less serious.
Banning a useful but abuse-prone technology is always going to create both inconvenience for legitimate users and some level of prevention of bad uses. What the right balance is is a tough, complex question and probably very dependent on when and where you ask it, but unfortunately it often gets boiled down “but the children” or “but freedom”.
when you had to
Everyone HAD to do it. ✂️
Checkmate, I called the police.
