“What’s you’re biggest weakness?”
“I’m going to say my honesty”
“Not sure I think honesty is really a weakness…”
“I don’t give fuck what you think.”.
“you’re hired”
Had more or less this exact conversation with the manager during an interview for a promotion I really wanted years ago.
I did not get it.
Just wear comfortable clothes. The old guard is dying off.
Comfortable sure, but not, like, pajamas.
Formal pajamas
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Those silk pajamas you see rich people wear in movies from the 80s and prior.
Business casualest.
As a man I’ve interviewed in a button down shirt, a skirt and open toe sandals and gotten a job offer. Only assholes and IBM require a suit and tie these days.
Open-toed sandals with a skirt and button down shirt? If you can’t take fashion seriously, how can I expect you to do your job? Business, business, calves, and then exposed toes? How am I supposed to focus on my job when you do things like that?!
Unpopular opinion: I think jeans are honestly more comfortable than pajamas. Pajamas feel a bit too loose and airy somehow, jeans and a t shirt or something feel a bit closer and thicker and give a reminder that something is between your skin and the outside while still being soft.
More unpopular opinion, jeans are the worst type of pants that I’ve ever had the displeasure of wearing.
Stretchy jeans are infinitely better than classic denim, give them a try before writing off jeans forever.
Pajamas for the weekend, sweat pants for the work week, jeans for going out, and suits for weddings and funerals.
To some of us, no clothes are comfortable.
Sensory issues are a sonofabitch and literally no neurotypical will ever have sympathy.
Guess I’ll start interviewing candidates in the nude.
You know this is literally harassment but the mods won’t see it that way, and if I respond to you like I REALLY want to, I’ll be the one with the ban.
I think you know this and are doing it on purpose.
I think you’re angry because you are very confused.
No, I’m angry because I was born with EDS and am medically angry nearly all of the time and it’s largely untreatable.
I’m angry at you SPECIFICALLY in the MOMENT for your mockery.
The only confusion is why people like you are so magnificently dedicated to being such assholes to the mentally different and pretending its no big deal.
This is a choice you’re making.
It’s things like this why I do my best to never go out in public because if I had met you in person I would be in jail shortly after.
And I’m sure you find that idea funny and will respond with some neurotypical witticism that seems oh so clever to you but is just a way to punch down with no consequences.
Do you normally go out of your way to harass everyone with disabilities, or only those of us with invisible ones?
haha another neurotypical mocking me for something I have zero control over that makes my life miserable lemmy is so supportive and inclusive.
And all of you ask why I am so angry all the time.
Sorry about your reading comprehension.
Your reply was sarcastic and unrealistic, that is mockery, a textbook definition.
The issue here isn’t my reading comprehension
“What is your biggest weakness?”
“Bullet wounds.”
“…”
“Oh and stab wounds too.”
Acid - I’m vulnerable to acid… I checked that one while making Hominy one time.
… Had to check but you definitely use a base for that, not an acid.
For the brief period when I was a manger, I tried to make interviews more work-related. I was told I couldn’t ask for a writing sample during the interview for a job that required writing clear, concise communications under pressure. This is one of many reasons why I am voluntarily no long supervisory in my field.
I was that more focused and productive person at two jobs. I answered customer emails at a bank and they actually had a meeting about me because my numbers were like 30-50% better than everyone else’s. They thought maybe I wasn’t actually DOING my work. I was, I was just good at it and quick at typing and copying and pasting and using templates. I streamlined all sorts of stuff to make my job easier. “How are you doing so many emails?!” “CTRL C and CTRL V and templates” “oh”
Reminds me of a friend of mine. He was promoted to some sort of engineering metrics analyst. His job it turned out, was to take a bunch of different reporting products and then create a presentation once a week to go over all of the metrics and have them in easy to understand graphs on a specific template.
So of course a month into the job he automates the entire thing and his job now takes a total of 5 minutes because he waits on the actual numbers to be crunched and spit out into the new template.
He’s super bored and asks me if he should tell his boss what he’s done and possibly get another promotion out of it. I said “Sure, if you want to be promoted to the layoff line.”
So his boss gave him some extra tasks and he just keeps blazing through them. His boss wants to know how he’s able to be the most productive person they’ve ever seen in that position. He asks me again, if he should tell the boss and his boss’ boss because they are super impressed. I said “No. Absolutely not. Just shrug and tell them you just do your best every day. They’ll eat that right up.” He does. He gets a promotion a couple of months later to a middle manager of some type. Probably due the Peter Principle.
Don’t ever give out your templates or show your process. If they can hire someone less experienced at a much cheaper rate, they eventually will.
Don’t ever give out your templates or show your process. If they can hire someone less experienced at a much cheaper rate, they eventually will.
I think you’re usually legally obligated to. I mean, crappy boss never ask is one thing, but if they inquire how you do your job, which templates you use etc, the employer owns the templates you created during your paid work time on probably the computer which is also the employers property. You don’t have to throw every detail about how you do your job on the table yourself if no-one asks, but if they do you should or they’ld win any legal dispute and you could be fired on bad (financial) terms. Likely whatever you show and explain is still to “complicated” anyhow.
I’m sure laws on this differ everywhere in the world but I assume you’re talking US. It is doubtful an employer could win a law suit against you for not showing your specific methodology unless you have a contract and that was part of it.
As far as firing goes, there aren’t very many situations that an employer can’t fire you over for cause but obviously also can fire you without cause.
Would they own the templates? Yeah but they’d also have to know to look for them unless you told them. Otherwise they’d probably already have created some templates and expect you to use and perhaps improve them.
This is why you should apply for Civil Service jobs. Many have a written test and no interviews.
I hate written tests more than I hate interviews
This kinda depends on the job though. An office job, there’s always going to be a social side because unless you’re just a flunky, collaboration is a necessary skill for a skilled job in most office settings.
The extent of needed skill at the kind of social interaction you can estimate via interview varies, and a lot of people get stuck and screwed over when they don’t actually need that skill set for the job, but we can’t just pretend that even a minority of office work allows for a person to be an island. You at least have to be able to interact with project managers that keep otherwise unconnected workers synced up.
It helps if you can say that you suck at interviews, but can execute on the job, and can both say it in a useful way, then back up that claim. Not every hiring person will deal with that, which is bullshit imo, but even that is not outside of the range of bare minimum social skills.
When it comes right down to it, we as workers in a capitalist system have to make hard choices unless we want to start a revolution. You either work on the people skills, reject the kind of work that takes interviews and interaction, or you ask for accommodations and hope that works out.
The system as-is sucks for anyone not built for capitalist dreck like cookie cutter interviews, and it needs change.
I work in an office and I’m sure an autistic person could do my job just fine. The degree of socialization in my office is fairly low unless you initiate conversations with everyone intentionally. The real joke is needing to sit in a cubicle when your job can be done entirely remotely.
Yea…no…you’re not taking a 4 round interview for one little task. That job is going to have bullshit corporate politics attached to it. If you can’t make it through that interview you’re not going to make it through the bullshit corporate politics.
If it’s really a simple task, it’ll be two rounds, and pay like ass.
I’ve been consistently top performing in all my positions with glowing reviews from all my managers. I can play with the corporate game very well. And yet almost all my jobs were found through networking and the few interview cycles I’ve attempted were always failures, often surprising the people who vouched for me on how bad I was at interviewing. I’m talking failed interviews which I ended up getting in demoted through another neurospicy person fighting for the me against management, only for me to outperform everyone else by 50%.
These are not the same skills.
Yea but I think part of the point is the corporate politics are not required to do the job, they are required to work at that company.
Also what the op finds simple may not be to average people, but if they have specialized skills and training, it becomes a ‘simple’ task.
I don’t see the distinction. For example, I code…but to get my code out I have to deal with like 4 other teams and their ridiculousness…
If I were at a smaller shop, I’d have to be better at dealing with my coworkers and maybe the customers.
As dumb as some of the interview process is, it does indeed weed out people who won’t be good in that environment.
(With that said, I’ve been in completely adversarial interviews that had nothing to do with the work in question and was just an opportunity for the principle to shit on his lessers).
Don’t worry, once you get the job you’ll discover that they lied about what the work is anyway. You thought the job was sitting quietly at a desk and solving little dev tasks. Actually that’s 25% of the job, the rest is: 25% meetings where they make doing the little tasks harder, confusing, and miserable, 25% other tasks you aren’t good at and that aren’t part of your job, and the last 25% is more meetings about those other things. The ratios will adjust over time until only about 10% of your job is doing your job, and the other 90% is email and meetings.
So many god damn meetings could be a fucking email - or a group chat.
Or skipped.
This is why jesus invented mobile games
The last job I had where I was in the office full time would make the entire team sit through a 3-4 hour meeting with the clients. Well, not with the clients. The clients would be on the phone arguing with each other about what the requirements were. There were almost never any action items beyond “Clients will discuss requirements for next week.”
We were not allowed to have our phones in the meeting. We were not allowed to doodle in the meeting. We had to sit there - for 3-4 hours a week - listening to people argue over a bad VOIP connection.
Why not just use gmeet?
It was over a decade ago so options were limited
The only way this could get any worse would be if the clients were natively speaking another language (one that you do not understand), would fall back to that five minutes into argueing among themselves, and after another five minutes, you hear your own name mentioned.
Protip: The neurotypical world unconsciously hates us and all of these barriers are deliberate to keep us from thriving.
Most of you will just laugh and downvote assuming it can’t be the case.
It is. And the sociopaths have made it this way because we are easily able to spot them and call them out.
I think more than likely the NT world just doesn’t think about people with autism, it’s not hate.
Of course you would think that, but studies prove you wrong. Here’s one:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5286449/
TL;DR: Neurotypicals rate autists 30% across the board, even if only exposed to the transcript of their speech.
There is so much ‘I don’t think so’ when the clinical evidence is clear, and that is part of the harassment. Congrats for joining in.
edit: OF FUCKING COURSE LEMMY CAN’T HANDLE A PEER REVIEWED, REPLICATED STUDY THAT CONFLICTS WITH THEIR WORLDVIEW
The funny part is they dont even engage you because they fail at disproving you, they just prove your point by downvoting you.
Thanks for standing up for us. I wish there were more people like you.
Thanks, I really needed to hear that after tonight
hope you thrive my friend.
Hope you thrive too. Feel free to hit me up on matrix if you ever wanna chat.
No, no, I definitely feel the hate. It’s real, and for some reason it got WAY worse after covid.
I don’t think they were talking about most of the NT world, just the sociopaths running things. They might be in to something.
The way that autism is used as an insult says otherwise.
Interesting, you just replaced losers and clueless in the gervaise principle
https://thepowermoves.com/the-gervais-principle-summary-review/
I’m not inclined to read past the first sentence that labeled my entire class as ‘losers’, welcome to my blocklist elitist asshole.
FUCK even just looking at the charts makes me want to set everything on fire
jeeze, welcome to my blocklist, you sound like an ever furious dickhead who attacks anyone that doesn’t instantly agree with them.
You wave around your peer reviewed social theory, but when someone else presents you a different view on something you already agree with you go “i’m not reading that because i’m too angry”?
chill
The document is literally a guide to class warfare and labels everyone except the owner class as idiots and fools.
This isn’t a different view, it is the statement that sociopaths SHOULD by RIGHT rule the world and anyone who treats that as ‘just another viewpoint’ is a class traitor that can eat every ounce of shit I have ever created.
chill
Fuck every mother in history that contributed to your current existence, including our shared ancestor.
There’s a very small chance that this will make a difference, but I feel compelled to at least try: please seek some kind of therapy. Not for your autism, for your anger. The world isn’t going to change because you’re mad at it. Life is short, please don’t make yourself miserable by focusing on the things that make you mad. Therapy can help.
I will get no accolades for this comment, nor am I trying to hurt you. I have nothing to gain by making this comment, it is truly just an honest request because you seem to be in pain.
Jesus! Although I agree that sociopaths are running things, they are the cancer of this world. The reason why we overproduce for the landfill instead of having only as many people work as really needed due to our high output.
Inventions are made by the smart and driven, not the manipulative. They just steal those inventions and run with them.
Its still kind of interesting that there is someone on the complete opposite who thinks these monsters should actually rule. I think they should be excluded from any position of power since they are proven to be bad leaders, make bad decisions and cover up their mistakes by pointing at someone else.
My most talented coworker was a contractor that was hired on full time. He has repeatedly said he would never have made it through the hiring process. I think about that a lot.
Because it is bullshit. HR have no clue how to find good candidates, and whoever hired them to get a new hire had no idea what the new hire should be able to do and so just gave HR a few buzzwords to work with. But even if they had been given a good job description, they are basically muppets.
“Well-paying”
Yes, there are well paying jobs in the world, specially for things autistic people are stereotypically good at, like programming.
DON’T YOU DARE ARGUE WITH ME
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I met a guy like this. He just changed jobs every year. His past employers said they never got any work out of him, but he just kept leapfrogging, getting better and better jobs at each company advancing his career.
Wow, that sounds suspeciously like me, except for the many periods of unemployment, which mostly come after my burnouts, which happen after half a year in a new job.
Gosh, same. I can do the charisma thing and chameleon whatever I’m supposed to say, and heck, even be good at the damn job…
…too good.
Once it stops being interesting, I start trying to find ways to make it fun, or squeeze in creative projects during downtime, and uptight types don’t like discovering that I’ve still got the spark they sacrificed right out of business school.
Disclaimer: Not claiming to be a genius or anything.
Tip in case you haven’t discovered it yet:
Don’t tell them about your efficiency improvements. They won’t appreciate it. You’ve made their job harder by requiring them to think about something. To them it was already automated and that automation was you.
Instead, just keep producing the same outputs and say nothing. You’ll only get a raise or promotion when you get a new job, so spend the extra time on that. When you do get a new job, give the automation to one coworker, preferably your replacement.
Source: am experienced engineer
I don’t disagree but the way they describe it sounds more like an autistic nightmare. I don’t know ADHD to be commonly associated with sensory issues and social cues and that hasn’t been my direct experience with it. I’ve had issues with social cues but I’ve found it easier to pick up on them when I had peers to practice with that weren’t put off by my adhd.
Also I don’t know that I would be focused if they just gave me a job because of the whole adhd thing. I’m certainly not significantly better than anyone else in the building at my current job…
It even says autistic in the post. This is not an ADHD thing, even though it’s common to have both.
There is a huge overlap between the two conditions. Probably far more behaviours in common than exclusive. We think of them as separate as a matter of convenience e.g. to administer healthcare, etc, but there is no precise scientifically reliable definition for either. It’s like saying someone is white or black, superficially the difference is obvious but when we look closely we cannot define what we mean by those words with universally repeatable measurements.
Sure, but what’s described in the post is very much in line with very common descriptions of things autistic people struggle with - so much so that it’s basically in the definition of the diagnose - and it’s not something that is typically (or ever) being ascribed to ADHD.
Just because these spectrums are related and interwoven (together with other ones as well) in mysterious ways we don’t yet understand, we don’t need to treat them as one. Especially as laymen. They are separate diagnoses with different definitions. By, as laymen in a social forum where people often times go before even considering going to get evaluated, cross-ascribing symptoms between diagnoses we risk steering people in the wrong direction and they could potentially waste years thinking they have a diagnosis they don’t have (according to our current health care systems).
How do stimulants work on autists?
Oh lmao I didn’t even catch that. Thanks adhd
Most of this is because, for people who are hiring/interviewing, this is a distraction from the job they were hired to do. Figuring out who to hire isn’t usually one of their core competencies. So they base their decision on superficial bullshit (and then if needed justify their choice later). Often as the job seeker, you’ve learned more about candidate selection than they have, so you’d be better at picking someone than they would.
Hiring for expertise and personailty is a tough set of skills to pair. Reminds me of software I had to work with where you had to have accounting and database skills. Nothing mutually exclusive there, but it’s tough to find people with both.
Best you can do is layer it. HR does a quick call to see that you’re not an antisocial asshole, maybe something a tad more in depth later, passes to the team’s management to go forward.
My last employer did quite well. I sat a 2-hour interview with the whole team. Yes, we got breaks, and as much as anything, that sold me on the job. “The job is very human.” And it was! Great company.
This doesn’t make logical sense. If candidates are studying for what will get them jobs then that wouldn’t make them experts in what is needed for the job but the frivolous bullshit that will get them hired.
I think most people who hire people prefer a personal recommendation because they are never trained on how to spot talent. When they can’t take that shortcut, they grasp at straws.
Rarely do you come across someone who actually knows how to pick the best candidate.
Or, picking the best candidate is inherently an impossible task given too little data and too much variability in people’s responses and ability to read the interviewer and give them what they want.
Maybe. To me it seems that you could become good at it if you worked at it.
This is worth watching in its entirety but it points out why interviewers are rarely actually experts in any way: https://youtu.be/5eW6Eagr9XA?si=n39py_-N_gPzPYGa
In short, the only way to get good at something is to try it repeatedly with feedback. Generalized interviewers / HR perform enough interviews to get better at them, but they don’t get meaningful feedback. Whether or not a candidate is actually good for a job often won’t be clear for months to years and an HR interviewer is often completely disconnected from that.
Conversely an on-team interviewer might get to see a candidate grow and perform, but simply doesn’t perform enough interviews to get good at it. They’re too busy working on the team doing stuff and most teams aren’t hiring that many people, that often, for them to get enough sample data.
And these forces oppose each other, the more actual task work you do, the less you’ll be interviewing others, both because you’re busy doing other stuff and because if you’re focused in a niche task then you’ll have less expertise to interview a broader range of positions. But the more broadly your responsibilities, the less of an expert you are. Same thing with team size, the larger the team, the more hires, but also the more people to do the interviews.
Companies value referrals because the whole interview process is inherently flawed and unfixable.
