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I’ve been designing CPUs and writing machine code and assembly for the last month and it’s been a blast.
I’ll be downvoted again but I agree.
After this and saying that you’re a beginner to JS, I would instead suggest spending time to develop perspective from a place of knowledge and experience rather than… I guess, being proudly ignorant?
if you’re a beginner, and you post an opinion and lots of people say that many years of professional experience make them disagree with you, why would you not take that on board? I wish you well on your learning journey. at some point you’ll outgrow vanilla js and you’ll have learned enough to configure transpilation and webpack etc. it’ll be a good day.
The fact that you’re doubling down on your ignorance is quite problematic. Typescript is not an enterprise system that forms arcane JS. It’s literally JS with a slight adjustment that allows you to say “also this is this type”. You write JS the entire time and can “disable” the typescript at any location you need to not be typed.
lol, that’s hilarious. Thanks, you made my day.
How can you even form an opinion on this if, as you stated in that thread, you literally have no idea what typescript is and are just a beginner in js? You got down voted for saying typescript is unnecessary without even knowing what it is or what the thing you’re working with’s limitations are, which is a pretty objectively braindead stance to take. You’re a beginner js developer, you have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to preferences of ts vs js, just that all of the beginner level stuff you have tried to do works in js so therefore typescript or frameworks must be unnecessary
Another junior with a god complex it’s funny how writing an if statement make you feel like you know everything in the galaxy
Typescript may have a million problems that make getting into it annoyingly hard and even seem pointless, but once it’s settled in your project and used well… Damn is it fucking good.
And I’m saying that even though I had to disable intellisense and most of those advanced features because the project I work for is too large and typescript would easily use over 20GB of RAM and get my computer to freeze.
But if you’re trying to use it like a traditional typed language, you’ll only see the bad side of it and you’ll certainly hate it.
Tell me you’re a dinosaur without telling my you’re a dinosaur
Telling me you have nothing to contribute without telling you have nothing to contribute.
I wasn’t sure if this meme worked until I saw what he was eating
I haven’t managed to break into the JS-adjacent ecosystem, but tooling around Typescript is definitely a major part of the problem:
- following a basic tutorial somehow ended up spending multiple seconds just to transpile and run “Hello, World!”.
- there are at least 3 different ways of specifying the files and settings you want to use, and some of them will cause others to be ignored entirely, even though it looks like they should be used.
- embracing duck typing means many common type errors simply cannot be caught. Also that means dynamic type checks are impossible, even though JS itself supports them (admittedly with oddities, e.g. with string vs String).
- there are at least 3 incompatible ways to define and use a “module”, and it’s not clear what’s actually useful or intended to be used, or what the outputs are supposed to be for different environments.
At this point I’m seriously considering writing my own sanelanguage-to-JS transpiler or using some other one (maybe Haxe? but I’m not sure its object model allows full performance tweaking), because I’ve written literally dozens of other languages without this kind of pain.
WASM has its own problems (we shouldn’t be quick to call asm.js obsolete … also, C’s object model is not what people think it is) but that’s another story.
At this point, I’d be happy with some basic code reuse. Have a “generalized fibonacci” module taking 3 inputs, and call it 3 ways: from a web browser on the client side, as a web browser request to server (which is running nodejs), or as a nodejs command-line program. Transpiling one of the callers should not force the others to be transpiled, but if multiple of the callers need to be transpiled at once, it should not typecheck the library internals multiple times. I should also be able to choose whether to produce a “dynamic” library (which can be recompiled later without recompiling the dependencies) or a “static” one (only output a single merged file), and whether to minify.
I’m not sure the TS ecosystem is competent enough to deal with this.
This last part sounds nice in theory, but it’s way outside the scope of what Typescript is intended to accomplish. I’ve been pursuing a similar goal on and off for 10+ years at this point, I even wrote an ORM for Backbone.js so I could use it on the server as well. Back then we called it Isomorphic Javascript, later on it got renamed to “universal javascript”, nowadays I’m not sure.
But yeah, the problem is similar with any code, really… What you’re often writing in software dev is just functions, but the infrastructure required to actually call said function is often not trivial. I agree it’d be nice to be able to have different “wrapper types” easily, but I’m afraid their usefulness would be limited beyond toy projects.
I dunno, Typescript can be nice at times but it always feels like I’m bolting on something that doesn’t belong on top.
I’ll still use it for now. Not sure JSDoc is as adequate for an enterprise app for me. I know Svelte and stuff do, but I’ll wait and see.
Just use Kotlin to write your JS/TS
the fuck? TIL
You can also do this with dart. I swear there was another “new” language which could also be compiled to JS as well.
There are a lot of programming languages that compile down to JavaScript. I used to be big into Dart, but lost interest when they became solely focused on Flutter.
I personally like using Haxe as it compiles to actual readable JavaScript (and, for fun, a bunch of other languages).
Best place to learn it?
Kotlin Koans is a good hands on intro, especially if you’re already familiar with Java.
Fuck typescript.
(30,27): error TS7006: Parameter 'fuck' implicitly has an 'any' type.Error: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'fuck')
All the stuff I write is personal tools anyways so I do the same. They’re small anyways.
Typescript is great for catching long standing bugs in old legacy JS.
Me, who’s not in web dev:
Web development needs a whole lot of change and these kinds of fights are meaningless indeed.
I’m not on Twitter, what’s happening?
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I’m with the guy sitting at the table
I am just a little “programmer” (if I can even call myself like that), and I’m using Typescript. Sure, it has it’s own shortcomings, as everything, but it looks better than plain JS (at least in vscode)
Is it even going to matter in the next 3-5 years? AI is going to make its own, kore efficient language and all the ones we use will be for hobby, fun and those who did not adapt.
Not the case. Ai can write binary. Languages are for humans to be able to use.
I agree with you, but writing human readable code will become a cottage craft and hobby as while it is good to know, AI will just be so much faster and better that coding anything yourself will make little business sense. I am already writing way less code, especially with the 100k token windows over on Poe.com which seems to handle most of my script sizes.
This might handle scripts as you described, but just wait until it needs the context of random bits of a tens-of-millions-of-lines monorepo plus knowledge of custom infrastructure that isn’t documented anywhere and–oh wait, we can’t actually let this LLM-as-a-service read our code because X and Y compliance/security/legal/etc, even if we ran it on-prem.
The robots aren’t coming for you so soon, don’t worry.
I think you are right if the progress on AI is linear, but if it continues to be exponential, nothing you said, even undocumented is going to be a barrier. That assumes AGI is coming and is as smart as the smartest people. We will see, but my money is on the progress surprising everyone. I am surprised by how much AI has improved over the last 6 months alone.
Certainly not in the next 3-5 years will this be a thing.
