cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25133597
Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It’s nice and cozy here, we do have some “bad parts of town” but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol
For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz and !biology@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo theres always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz
You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)
There’s much more around as well!
Obligatory, fuck Spez
Again, nobody’s talking about the porn instance.
But we all know about it
I posted my boobs & some people were friendly to me. It’s nice here! Surprisingly wholesome.
We know everyone immediately followed the profile to see the boobs, don’t we?
(They are nice btw)
woow, you’re gorgeous… I DMd you
No we don’t; link, please.
Hot
OMG. I just discovered Lemmy yesterday after being a Redditor for a decade. I deleted my Reddit account after the insane level of suppression I’ve endured over the past year and was all set to go cold turkey when I found out about Lemmy! Praise the sweet lil’ six pound, eight ounce baby Jesus!!
everyone keeps telling me my instance is full of tankies but im not seeing it. when i made my account this was the only instance.
also, why the fuck would we want more redditors here?
also, why the fuck would we want more redditors here
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
I think there’s an instance on .ml that has everyone in a tizzy. I myself haven’t had any issue with .ml specifically. Lot of ‘mens rights’ bigots from .ee though, not sure why that is.
“An instance on .ml” you mean a community? Or you mean another domain name using the .ml top level domain? If it’s the latter, you probably mean lemmygrad.ml. If it’s the former, there are already quite a few communities on there which have a lot of subscribers and often appear in the “all” feed. Normally those are fine. But every now and then you’ll see some tankie comment and like 99% of the time it’s some user from that instance.
To be honest, I don’t pay a lot of attention other than to notice the ‘.ml’ and the vast majority of the time, I don’t notice any specific tanki-ness to people from there.
.ee on the other hand has been… (checks) yeah, all but one of my blocks in the last month.
Methinks there might be a culture war/defederation covert campaign being done by more right or even just regular liberal users.
That or I’m being paranoid.
Lemmy.ml is the original instance and the dev instance. I joined it because there was literally no alternative at the time. It’s pretty annoying being called a tankie left and right because of this
Yeah, that’s pretty unfair. You shouldn’t have to put up with this; and it definitely is not your fault, or the fault of the instance. This “tankie instance” thing is bullshit.
It’s also because the devs are communists. Let’s not skip that part lol
Communist is not the same as tankie. Lemmy probably wouldn’t exist if the devs weren’t communist
They sensor criticism of the CCP
No they don’t, reasonable criticism of the CPC is fine, they just ban jinogistic “China bad! Tinyman square! Winnie the pooh!” nonsense.
Those are pretty tame criticisms of the CCP to ban, it sounds like you just made that user’s argument for them.
I mean, they’re only not the same because “tankie” is so broadly defined that it also includes anarchists and non-western liberals.
I have to ask, are shitlibs aware that Wikipedia isn’t divine gospel, and that there are other works in the history of humanity? Because it seems to inevitably be their one and only go to, which is particularly embarrassing given that even a middle school teacher could tell you that it’s not a good source. Even worse, it doesn’t’ even back up your claim!
Yes it does. Wikipedia is a fairly neutral source. Middle school teachers will tell you that tertiary sources are a good way to start your research when you apparently have no idea what you’re talking about.
I get more and more liberal every time I see some self-described leftist call people a shitlib because they’re slightly right of Pol Pit or whatever.
The f-slur is defined as referring to gay men, but people also use it to insult straight men by suggesting that they’re gay. In the same way, “tankie” may be defined as a particular type of communist, but it is deployed against people who don’t fit the definition to imply that they do.
This is how basically all insults work, don’t play dumb. The definition is something assumed to be bad, and the way it’s used is to suggest the person meets that definition.
“tankie” is so broadly defined that it also includes anarchists and non-western liberals.
I’m referring to what they said, not some other insult.
All Tankies are Anarchists as long as that Anarchy is in a Western World Power.
If your definition of communism is China and your definition of Capitalism is Western Power, then you’re a fucking Tankie, as 98% of self identifying communists on Lemmy are.
wHY DoN’t yOu chAnGe InSTanCe?
I did twice. Just let go of the past. Embrace the future.
It’s not about past or future, it’s about contributing to the instance that tests new releases first and helping the people that provide an alternative to mainstream centralized media
Same, looks like we are shady now.
that is actually the reason I chose lemmy.ml direct support from the developers is cool
Same as a fellow code enthusiast, the dev instance seemed like a good choice. But no, do not pass go, straight to tankie jail apparently.
Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the tankie triad?
It’s pretty insane that choosing the default instance is seen as being indicative of your politics
Looks at the Lemmy devs
They deny genocide and are transphobic
.me laughs
In the past week I caught a 7 day ban for “misinformation” (x3, then for reposting a link to the mod logs, “skirting the rules”, “repeated offenses” etc.) from /c/WorldNews for accusing Democrats of being complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. An actual fact - tens of billions of dollars in arms sent to an ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing by Biden. No problems like that on lemmy.ml. That really says it all for me. Lemmy’s basically just a fediverse reddit, with the same mod structure - if mods abuse their power, and admins don’t keep them in check, it’s time to ditch the instance.
By the way, Lemmy itself was created by Dessalines, the admin of lemmy.ml. Who I collaborated with briefly on building some of the UI that you’re using right now to read this. Very thorough guy.
It’s not authoritarian bootlicking if the boot has been painted red!
No mention of dbzer0. com anywhere in the meme or text? To any newcomers, if you wouldn’t download a car then you don’t need to know about that instance.
Lol I made the original meme and text, I kinda just brain dumped the instances from the top of my head, the hope was others would chime in with their fav instances/comms and add to the list
Happy to report that Zip has been quite enjoyable.
It must be the chunk of land they’re sitting on. Just can’t see it because the full text can’t be read in its entirety from that close up.
If someone’s identity is based on hating tankies, then they’re mostly likely right-wing (aka liberal).
I don’t like tankies either but they’re just more right-wingers to me. Just the alt-imperial version of liberals. That’s why libs get so mad.
If tankies are right wing, liberals are right wing, not to mention those who are actually right-wing outside of your head-canon, who is not right-wing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
Imma be honest, I don’t think .ml belongs on there. Their users can be pretty cool.
.ml is a cesspool
Block it then
I mean you say that, but it’s not like every community on .ml is focused on politics man. Their largest communities are mostly about tech. And they have a pretty cool, albeit somewhat inactive datahoarders community, of whom I think some are helping with redundant archival of datasets being erased by Trump’s administration.
Edit Addendum: For anyone who has the storage space, I would consider helping out with the effort.
This seems like an odd message considering that Lemmy, as software, is being praised here; and what is being criticized are instances wherein the admins enforce apologism for authoritarian regimes.
If someone writes a program you like, it means they’ve got good political ideas. /s
I would argue FOSS is more akin to cooperative anarchism or library economics. Murray Bookchin
i agree, commies trying to claim FOSS is really a stretch, they are desperate to pretend to be relevant
Speaking of pretending to be relevant, how ancient are you that you still use the word “commies”?
do you prefer the more current term marxist-lenninist like lee oswald?
true though, isn’t it, not being relevant since roughly… 89?
Least incoherent reactionary
Tankies aren’t communists.
“Tankie” is a pejorative that basically looks like an exact replica of McCarthy’s strawman of a Communist. The purpose of the term is to claim the accused that they genuinely hold those McCarthyian characteristics, regardless of reality. It shuts down conversation because it would be inconvenient to have those conversations, it’s a thought-terminating cliché more than a real thing.
Here are some thoughts:
Marx said communism is stateless
The state won’t wither away if you keep defending its right to use force
The vanguard party must either accept revolution against themselves so that society can become more communist, or become reactionary tyrants
Modern Russia isn’t fucking socialist, you don’t need to defend it anymore
State capitalism isn’t socialism. State socialism requires robust democracy
Every actual successful communist nation that reached communism didn’t have a vanguard state
Being an enemy of the West doesn’t mean a country inherently deserves your support. That’s how voting works, it’s not how international relations work
Trump is planning to displace the Palestinians and make Gaza a US colony, and Lemmy’s Marxist-Leninist community tried to help him
Having a small movement with little power isn’t an excuse for making bad decisions. Take responsibility for your actions
Drag is not seeking to have an argument about each and every one of these points. Drag is seeking to prove that “tankie bad” is not a thought terminating cliche as you said. Drag has plenty of thoughts, and has already discussed them exhaustively on this platform. And this list of thoughts isn’t an invitation to sealion.
Of course drag isn’t inviting to sealion, drag is gish-galloping and isn’t interested in any conversation. drag has proven this, from defending Nazi-led pograms as “true revolution” to pretending Marx was an Anarchist and wanted full decentralized horizontalism, rather than full centralization and democratization as industry gets ever more complex.
drag is therefore either uninterested in genuine conversation, or is a troll.
Marx said communism is stateless
every type of leftism that im aware of except for social democrats want to achieve a stateless society. to be fair im not sure if social democrats can even be considered leftists.
Different leftists have a different idea of what constitutes the “State” and what “Statelessness” looks like. For Marxists, the State is the oppressive elements of class society like millitarized police and armies that can only go away once the world is fully publicly owned and planned, and becomes classless. Anarchists however have an issue with hierarchy, rather than class, and want full decentralization and horizontalism. For a Marxist, Anarchism isn’t “stateless” as it retains class distinctions (each commune is interested in its own success), Anarchists obviously would see Marxism as not truly stateless.
This difference is why a lot of conversations go nowhere between some Marxists and Anarchists.
i generally lean ML, but both of these are stateless to me? isnt this really about horizontal vs hierarchical power?
If we are to agree with Engels, Communes (or cooperatives) consist entirely of Petite Bourgeoisie, unless there is no interaction outside said commune. Trade between communes implies each commune wishing to get more out of the trade, which implies differences in material wealth in communes that can then escalate into Capitalism. It isn’t what we think of as a State, but some form of armed millitia must be maintained to enshrine ownership within a commune, and not outside it, ergo a state enforcing class distinctions.
Really, though, I think the term “stateless” brings ideological baggage rather than logical. What’s important is the structures themselves, not how we wish to label them. Conversations around “true” Communism or whatnot inevitably fall into ideological debate based in idealism, rather than a logical analysis of material conditions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
Yeah, at this point the word “tankie” is used so liberaly that communists are just one type of “tankie”.
or “tankie” is just a type of communist. who knows at this point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
Karl Marx said communism is stateless. Tankies are named after their support of soviet tanks to put down revolutions. That’s the opposite of stateless.
Marx also described the State as the elements of government that entrench class distinctions like private property rights and armies, but that such a state could only wither away once all industry was publicly owned and controlled. Marx believed the workers needed to be armed and protect revolution.
This has also been explained before, but one of the “revolutions” you defended was led by Nazis that were marking the doors of Jews and Communists, and had started lynching them.
Lol, well I guess there are no communists then, because not even Marx himself, as nonone has achieved statelessness.
Also, what a stupid image, it’s literally just horseshoe theory with “I’m on of the good leftists” liberal boot licking thrown in
Well except for the Catalonians, the Haudenosaunee, the Australians, the Polynesians…
Catalan made their own “state” that’s not stateless. Humans need societies and structures, we aren’t tigers, we’re weak hairless monkeys.
Ok, I think I’m comfortable resting my case that you contorting the meaning of the word ‘communist’ beyond reason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
Dude you know what I mean, don’t be the ACKSHUALLY guy
FOSS isn’t Soviet style state capitalism / socialism either.
Ok man, you do you.
I checked you profile, in 4 months you have 3 times the comments I wrote in 3 years and you answered my comment within 1 minute.
I strongly suggest a healthy cure of touching grass.Drag suggests you learn what a dude, guy, or man is, and why perhaps you shouldn’t call strangers those words, especially after investigating their profiles and most likely realising they’re nonbinary.
Yeah I’m sorry, I wasn’t trying to misgender you, in my language all of those are intended as gender neutral. And please don’t feel my suggestions are something meant to attack you, just don’t focus on small details to avoid listening what other people are really meaning to say.
Authoritarian bootlickers is ironic, while at leats the Americans are watch their country go full authoritarian fascist right now.
cm0002 is a total sad act. Obsessed
I’m not gonna be equipped to make a nuanced and detailed take right now but in my experience hexbears are alright, fun to talk to, I can learn things from them, and at worst they’re spicy.
hey i just wanted to destroy capitalism 🥺 👉👈
Tankies say that shit but they don’t mean it. They could easily support and promote socialism in Western Nations but they don’t, instead the promote people like Donald Trump and try to convince people to resort to violence to tear it all down.
To them, real socialism is the enemy. “Communism” just means Eastern Power and “Capitalism” just means Western Power, it’s political tribalism at its core.
Yea who cares about those little human rights violations and genocides the CCP does along the way, just sweep those under the rug!
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I’ve met people in reality who feel the same way as you, and I wanted to ask you something:
Wonder if our media that is largely Republican controlled and owned by Western billionaires could maybe have some anti-CCP bias
Why does that mean that China is good? Like I understand that specific things western media says could be wrong, but we have a hell of a lot of proof about what they’ve done. So what I don’t get is, sure media is owned by billionaires and corrupt, but why does that mean that the exact opposite is what’s true? Stalin/Nazi Germany and Hitler/Germany hated each other, constantly lied about each other, but that never meant that either of them were ‘good.’ So why does it apply here?
No state is good. It’s actually not good to make up lines on a map and violently control people according to it. The more violent (aka “powerful”) the state, the worse that it is. USA might be the worst.
Stalin/Nazi Germany and Hitler/Germany hated each other, constantly lied about each other, but that never meant that either of them were ‘good.’
I mean, before Methler’s Operation Barbarossa, they were happily dividing the world up between themselves.
Switch “Republican” with “coastal elite” and “anti-CCP” with “anti-conservative” and it’s the same old, tired bullshit.
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It does, but you’re really tripping if you don’t think the CCP commits egregious human rights abuses.
Imagine believing that CCP is a good representative of destroying capitalism. Typical lib. smh.
didn’t realize that reddit actually did me a favour by giving me the boot. lemmy is way better
Everyone knows those rules don’t apply when youre dunking on the instances with opinions outside of the US state department’s approved overton window.
Incivility is only when you call out liberal hypocrisy and .world, otherwise it’s sparkling marketplace of ideas.
Ah yes, wise words UnderpantsWeevil, .worlds very own resident tankie
Yes, welcome redditors to .world, which is trying to model itself as reddit 2.
Okay, but where is the instance that is trying to model itself after slashdot? (I feel old)
Best I can do is act like a slashdotter:
This general idea has already failed elsewhere. What you want can’t work.
Just point me to the Natalie Portman and hot grits.
It’s a bit like OSRS for reddit - an attempt to revive the reddit we all have very rose-tinted memories of. Unfortunately we seem to have forgotten about the the rampant casual misogyny, tribalism, moderator political infighting, that the 2007 XP rates were actually abysmally implemented and desperately needed retooling (and that deeply awkward “ron paul” phase reddit went through…)
So far, it’s quite refreshing. However I miss some of the smaller niche hobby subreddits, as fediverse hasn’t gained enough momentum yet. There are “channels” (?) that have like 300 people, and a post every other month, which is too small right now.
Comms are more like hashtags within an instance, generally, rather than a real community in itself.
everone knows you join instances based on how funny the @ is, duh
And you picked that?
.rar isn’t a domain yet is it? Lol
Lemmy.7z
Lemmy.altF4
it’s funny that .zip is a domain, yes. I can’t imagine it gets used for anything other than email scams
Am I winning?
Exactly
