Me, who has killed 2 killers
As an old friend of mine once said “If he killed em the writers would have to invent new enemies continuously. With that excuse they can put them in the Asylum and reuse them for new stories whenever they want.”
The more efficient option is rarely the more entertaining option.
Sounds like something the Joker might say.
Heaven forbid writers be forced to come up with something original or anything
Pretty much why I prefer manga. The convention for manga is creators come up with their own characters and stories rather then remixing preexisting ones. Of course there’s original stuff in the west, but people don’t talk about those nearly as much. There’s also some examples of Japanese characters getting passed about to different writers, but that’s also less common.
It does shortcut originality a fair bit. Why come up with a new guy with a new gimmick when they can just throw Condiment King out there.
Prob part of the reason Punisher isn’t that popular. A good rogues gallery makes for a good hero. No rogues and hes just some guy.
It’s funny that Punisher really isn’t all that popular but in the US his skull emblem in a Blue Lives Matter livery is an extremely popular automotive window decal.
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The Punisher’s iconic story is about him executing his coworkers on the police force for killing his family. He’s the most directly anti-cop comic book character. But all the vets-turned-cops just remember how cool the skull looked ironed on to their gear in the military I guess.
What’s funny is that, if the Punisher were real, he’d 86 every one of those corrupt cops.
That has been since the Jon Berntthal version. They really have no knowledge about the character
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It actually goes way back to the 80s and 90s when Punisher comics took off. It wasn’t as common as you see today, but the Punisher skull was on lunchboxes and tee shirts and tattoos and rifle cases. We didn’t have social media back then, though, so the cops kept their shared psychotic fantasies about unrepentant murder well hidden.
There’s a universe where Batman was basically the punisher and goes around killing people.
The Grim Knight kills all the corrupt cops, mob bosses and villains. He also blows up blackgate and Arkham. Gotham ends up super safe, but somehow more of a dystopia than regular Gotham. Everyone lives in fear, and Batman has a 1984 setup where he spies in everyone and uses Waynetech to kill people.
Commissioner Gordon ends up arresting him with the help of info given to him by Alfred.
Would it make sense for someone to kill the Joker? Yes. However Batman is, in addition to being an anally retentive genius perfectionist, somewhat emotionally unstable. Dude isn’t the type of person who’d be able to kill the Joker and call it a day.
That being said I’m pretty sure the in universe reason right now is that killing the joker releases a gas that turns whoever is near it into another joker. If Batman killed the Joker, the gas would cause him to turn into a villain who can singlehandedly kill every other hero on earth. He would then continue to pull bullshit out of his ass until he gains the powers of Doctor Manhattan and almost destroys all of existence.
Wow, there’s a lot of cool writing going on there. Im not a comic book nerd, but gotta say I do wish they could do one comic movie with this level of depth and character development.
But I guess this is a case of the book is always better.
Not if you kill multiple killers… Dumbass.
Simply kill more than one killer
I always think of Batman is a crazy person that he knows he’s a crazy person. Which is why he has to strictly follow rules he set for himself.
If Batman broke his rule against killing, within a few years people of Gotham would have to worry about getting killed by the Batman for jaywalking. Batman knows that he has the potential of going this way so he has to follow his rules to prevent that from happening.
I really like this interpretation
I have felt that way since getting more into it and noticing how every character is broken, mentally, in some way. Bruce over the loss of his parents has been traumatized by death and refuses to acknowledge that some people really need it (Joker). The comics themselves acknowledge this often, with characters pointing out how he’s insane for dressing like a bat and fighting bad guys.
In a world where bad guys routinely obtain super powers and put on costumes to do crime, one guy with a bunch of money fighting crime in a bat suit doesn’t sound so far fetched. I mean his best friend is literally an immortal alien from Kansas, who could, should he fancy it, murder every criminal as they step over some arbitrary benchmark for criminality. Beating them to a pulp and turning them in is just a sick hobby they get away with.
It sounds crazy, even in that world, when you realize Superman exists. The Flash exists. People with actual, bonafide super powers exist. And then there’s Bruce Wayne. A rich playboy with PTSD, no super powers, fighting villains that often do have super powers.
Ah, but Bruce has the strongest power of all: rabid fans who would gladly burn down DC’s headquarters if Batman were ever cancelled.
Batman is the worlds greatest detective since issue #1
Yeah that’s why the Joker is a great nemesis for Batman. They’re both crazy people, they’re both are aware that they’re crazy, only difference is one has rules and the other doesn’t. That’s basically all that separates them.
I feel like portraying Batman as someone does kill people is boring because there’s not psychological aspect to it.
Some people are just a threat to everything.
If you kill 1000 killers the number of killers in the world decreases by 999 though.
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Was just going to say if total number of killers was the only important metric, you could have one person kill the rest of the killers. Then the meta-killer could kill all other people, just in case there are undiscovered killers hiding amongst them.
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But the amount of serial killers goes up
Not if at least one of the killers was already a serial killer.
At last, the nights will be safe from Count Chocula.
And if you kill a million killers you’re not a killer anymore so it goes down by a solid million.
The Citizens of Metropolis in Injustice be like
Yes, but if you kill two or more, it’s all good 👍
Batman could kill all killers in Gotham, last one being himself, then the number drops to 0
Checkmate, moral compass
Ethical people hate this one trick!
So would the number of citizens in gotham. Apparently everyone is a killer in that city.
He could always, you know, just break their spine
That would actually be a pretty cool premise. A hero who promises he will kill himself once all evil is defeated, as what he does although for good is evil itself. But people love him too much so they themselves become evil to keep him around.
I guess kinda like a incredible situation, but more dark because the protagonist just wants to die instead of raise a family.
But evil can never be truly deleted, can it? There will always be new villains. Can you ever truly call yourself done?
No, and that is why his promise is so clever, lol.
That’s actually a dope premise. Is there anything out there like that now?
Idk
One of the bad guys becomes a good guy not because it’s the right thing to do but because he genuinely wants to see if the hero will kill himself but the only way to promise to not be evil again is to be a good guy. Since the bad guy either has to die or stop fighting for the hero to be happy, but he wouldn’t really trust the bad guy if he just stopped. So although he occasionally messes up the bad guys is pretty good now
TIL Batman sucks at math.
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No no, if you kill two killers you become a double killer and the count stays the same.
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Due to the transitive property of murder, you have valid points.
But you always let the trolley kill the old person instead of the murderer; the murderer can stop murdering, the old person can only be stopped by killing them. In all other cases the murderer gets trolley’d.
By the additive property of killing, you’d be a triple killer if you killed a double. Serial killers get the title by killing people all in a row. If they’re not in a row it doesn’t count.
The trick to the trolley problem is to yank the brake, jackknife the trolley cars, and hit everyone. This would make you a septuple killer, and earn the ‘Badass Moves’ achievement.
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I’m pretty sure this was an episode of Futurama, and you end up getting laid. Just don’t ask too many questions.
“Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god.” — Jean Rostand
Source: https://quotepark.com/quotes/1749668-jean-rostand-kill-one-man-and-you-are-a-murderer-kill-million/
That only counts if your killings are non-consecutive.
So you’re assuming I’ve never killed anyone?
Maybe, but are you smart enough not to hint at it on the internet? No.
Batman’s goal is to create a Gotham where he is not needed.
Like trying to clean up Iraq while openly refusing to kill Osama bin Laden.
Hard to do when he doesn’t fix the other issues in Gotham and he just beats up villains lol, man needs to use his wealth to influence politics for the better
He… does.
This is the “why didn’t the eagles fly to Mordor” of the batman universe.
Yes and there have been other comics in alternate universes that prove that if he did more he could get rid of crime in gotham
The alternate universe stuff muddies the water so much that it really doesn’t have much weight.
And there are stories where Gotham is literally cursed to be evil. You start pulling edge cases and you throw out everything that matters. There’s probably a story where Gotham and Metropolis switched vibes and Superman is an autocrat Spaze Nazi exterminating shoplifters and petty thugs
here’s probably a story where Gotham and Metropolis switched vibes and Superman is an autocrat Spaze Nazi exterminating shoplifters and petty thugs
Ehm… i think the guys at Games Workshop did a pretty decent version of this with the whole Konrad Curze thing…
Most of the modern stories are, essentially, about a severely neurotic genius athlete billionaire. Especially since the killing joke laid it out.
The hyperfixation of modern Batman writers on Joker and the weird homoerotic overtones that come with it has become tiresome. There are much better villains in Batmans rouge gallery than some crazy clown
While there are some awesome Batman villains, I agree.
None of them have the dynamic the Joker does. The Joker is like the complete opposite of Batman. Chaotic, maniac, big smile, kills without a second thought.
All the Joker tries to prove is that anyone, no matter how just they think they are, no matter how steadfast they believe themselves to be, are only a single bad day away from turning into a monster like him.
He wants to push Batman over the edge, because Batman is the biggest challenge in that regard. If he can bend Batman, he can bend anyone. So if he can get Batman to kill him, his point is proven.
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But his point ISNT proven; Joker is dead and the absurd killings stop. Batman wouldn’t have been broken, he would’ve suddenly been aware of math.
I’m glad we got Death In The Family and Red Hood to tell us that yes, the writers know Batman is an idiot on this point and has reached his point of incompetence.
The rest of the rogue’s gallery does in fact have better dynamics with Batman than Joker does.
Joker’s some lame ass loser who views supervillainy as a career while literally everyone else in the rogue’s gallery has better, more interesting reasons to do what they do. Joker’s doing evil for the lulz schtick is boring as fuck. He’s nothing but a boring-ass two dimensional Gary Stu and I am tired of being quiet about it.
The only interesting Joker we’ve had in the past twenty years is the Joaquin Phoenix one.
Mr Freeze comes to mind.
I think the reason they focus on it is because it’s really popular. I really enjoy all the stories where they have to fight each other but can’t finish it forever or where the joker gives up because he thinks that batman is gone. I think there’s a lot of room to explore what makes batman different from criminals using the joker and the strong parallels.
