All smartphones, including iPhones, must have replaceable batteries by 2027 in the EU::undefined
EU citizenship is a dream.
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So tempted to wait until 2027 to buy my next iPhone
Lol
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Will literally anyone in the EU help me immigrate? ill do anything to get out of Murica.
I should make a business out of that lol
You can literally do that with any business. Start up a business and hire people from abroad to work for you in the country and just sponsor their visa while they go through the process. That’s one of the more common ways that people use, that and marrying a native.
That sounds like work… I’ll go the marrying route instead, there’s more butt stuff that way
I’ll marry you. How much?
Edit: fuck I’m not EU anymore.
Thank god we left the EU ^(ahhhh fucking hell)^
I really don’t like the idea of governments regulating tech and innovations. Although this seems like a good idea, it could severely limit companies in the way they design their phones.
People think that Apple and Samsung maliciously make irreplaceable batteries, but these people barely know how to use their phone in the first place, much less how the phone was engineered. Battery implementation in super thin devices is not a simple affair. Requiring tech to have certain things is really dumb. Let the capitalistic market and buyers figure out what they need. Don’t force it through government.
we can do better than soldered batteries inside unopenable super thin phone cases. These companies have no motivation to innovate any sort of repairability, and now they will have it.
Lol this is such bull shit
It’s not about motivation it’s about need
Nobody is clamoring for this accept the EU government and some right to repair fanatics who most likely don’t repair jack in their own lives and haven’t needed nor requested replacement smartphone batteries
Because nobody needs them anymore lol. Market buddy if this was something important we’d be getting it
Although I am also very much against government control over things and believe that for every one good control law from the government, we get 5 things that infringe upon our rights, I believe this particular legislation is a good one. I don’t think that phone manufacturers maliciously make irreplaceable batteries (although they do many other malicious things, so who knows), but there was a race for thinness back in the mid-2000s when irreplaceable batteries were “invented”; now it’s just inertia. In any case, I can see a demand for fully repairable items and believe that the market is moving in that direction; governments are just pushing it a little.
Agreed. Too bad the 11 disagrees didn’t have the stones to voice their dissenting opinion
I tried Ctrl+F searching to see whether anyone here had pasted the link to the law, and didn’t find anything, so I went to Presearch and found this, which appears to be the official European Union log for it, and has attached PDFs at the end with what seem to be the nitty-gritty for further reading…
If I’ve found an errant page that just looks official, please link something better for those looking for the legalese
Now will companies also offer this in the usa or will they have 2 models for sale
I doubt most companies would bother. Apple is probably the only one with the volume to bother.
True epically since they have a huge share of the American market
I think that would depend on how much EU citizens care about being fully waterproof. I assume there will be focus groups.
If that is a high priority for EU customers, then it will cause Apple to have to do an entire redesign. If they ended up doing that, then I don’t see any reason why they would make a separate US model line. If EU citizens don’t care about waterproof and are fine with it being water resistant, then I could see them having a waterproof non removable US version and an EU version that has removable, but is only water resistant.
There is a real risk that the US eventually follows suit, and there is no reason to re-tool twice if you don’t need to.
I’m not sure anybody really cares about waterproof. I have a waterproof smart watch, but realistically I’m not going to wear it swimming.
Pretty much every phone that I’ve ever owned that has died has died not because it was introduced to some water, but because the battery failed. Cost benefit analysis would indicate that a user replaceable battery is of a higher priority for most consumers. And the rest just won’t care one way or the other.
Anyway the current iPhone isn’t waterproof, it’s only water resistant. Very few companies will advertise their phones is actually waterproof in case somebody tries it.
Waterproofing isn’t important so I can take it swimming; it’s important in case I drop it in a puddle.
The battery on an iPhone is good for about 1000 charge cycles (will maintain at least 85% capacity), which is about 3 years of normal use. After that, it costs like $80 to have Apple replace the battery. That’s absolutely worth it to me for the improved water resistance.
Not a great argument, it’s not impossible to have both. The Galaxy S5 was IP67 and had removable batteries (my favorite phone so far). There is a Galaxy out right now with removable batteries with IP68. Iphones are 67 to 68 depending on the model.
Well in my defense I have no idea what I’m talking about.
I have a water resistant smart watch and I take it swimming all of the time. I see lots of others swimming with smartwatches too. Smart watches are usually fitness tracker. I very much care that the watch is water resistant. I care more about that than having a user replaceable battery, which I’m unlikely to replace given that I never did when replaceable batteries were common in phones.
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Samsung Galaxy Xcover Pro with removable battery and IP68 entered the chat
Wasn’t the S5 like 67?
Yes, the S5 was IP67. The Xcover Pro is an actual phone with both.
There was/is more than these two examples. You have others like the CAT phones.
You know they are gonna have a special EU model. I can feel it.
So, would it be possible to get an eu model with any chance of working here in the U.S? I love a removable battery
No doubt an unpopular opinion, but I’d rather keep the IP rating than be able to swap my own battery without the phone becoming a literal brick.
I doubt this is a scenario where we can have both.
Sony Xperia latest ones have headphone jack, IP rating for salt water, SD card, toolless sim tray and headphone jack. With a 4k screen. It’s absolutely fine. Manufacturers just don’t care.
I would rather have expandable storage mandated than replaceable batteries but obviously that’s not going to happen.
Galaxy S5 had a removable battery and IP67 and is a 2014 phone. The technology was there, so it has probably evolved enough in this 9 years.
There are a few phones that have removable batteries with good water resistance. No phone is completely waterproof, so I don’t really care whether It can withstand 1 meter of water for 5 minutes verse 10 meters of water for an hour. It’s not like I am taking my phone snorkeling.
The Samsung S5 had an IP rating of 67, which can withstand temporary submersion and had removable batteries. I frigging loved that phone.
You can absolutely have both. In fact the galaxy S5 had both a swappable battery and IP67. Tons of devices do. Glued construction was always about reducing manufacturing costs, not about an IP rating.
Fuck the EU. I hope we still get good small phones and EU assholes only get big bloated as fuck ones.
This is EU actively making my phone more shitty.
Search for galaxy s5. And there were plenty of other ones too. Or you just forgot the /s
How old are you? Small phones with replacement batteries have always existed. Batteries being removable has nothing to do with size, that’s industry propaganda.
If anything, phones have gotten BIGGER as batteries became non-removable. But that’s just because people buy big phones more.
They’ve always been bigger. You show me a phone with a removable battery and I’ll show you a phone that’s smaller with similar features from a close time period. Might even be ip68 to boot.
HTC droid Incredible.
Your logic is flawed. Phones have only gotten BIGGER as removable batteries have been phased out. Nearly every phone today is huge, and hardly any have removable batteries.
The Galaxy S series had removable batteries until the S6 dropped the feature. And the S5 was IP67 rated. Small, waterproof phones with big, removable batteries are entirely possible. You’re just falling for the propaganda.
Name one lmao
MOST flagship Android phones 10 years ago were small and had removable batteries. The Galaxy S5 was the last flagship from Samsung to do it, to name one.
What about the small phones back in the 00’s with replaceable batteries?
All of them bigger than integrated solutions.
Who says there can’t be SFF phones with replacable batteries. In fact, old samsung phones had replacable batteries.
And they were bigger than comparable htc’s, were flimsy, and ip68 was a pipe dream.
Speaking of this topic, can someone recommend some “free” phone, free as in speech, with disk storage of at least 0.75 TB (with or without sd card)?
I wanted to get a pixel and install graphene on it, but the max storage there is 256 GB, which is miserably low, with no sd card. I’m considering Fairphone. Any suggestions?
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or installing any OS you want without voiding the warranty? I mean when you buy a computer, no one cares if you install Windows or Linux. So why do smartphone manufacturers care?
Unless a lot as changed, they do care.
Every single laptop and any prebuilt computer I find in the market comes pre installed with a Windows.
A good friend approached me to install a Linux on a brand new machine and just to make sure we called the customer support line, informing there was interest to return the windows license, as the software would not be used.
The reply we got was that by removing the software the warranty of the equipment would be null and void. The option was to ship the computer to their maintenance provider and have it removed, with costs presented at end for labour.
In the EU at least that would be illegal - you can’t void an entire warranty, only relevant bits… and since windows doesn’t have a warranty anyway…
The canonical example is you can’t void the warranty on a car engine because you changed the stereo. ‘Doing x will void the warranty’ is almost never the full story.
You stress it like it’s a bad thing
“But it would be bad for my favorite trillion dollar corporation and for their bottom line!!!”
I’ll never understand consumers who insist to take the side of the corporation rather than the side of the customer on these issues.
Because this isn’t good for the consumer only short sighted leftists who love others taking control for them are cool with the government telling companies how they can make their products
Instead of posting a rant about “short sighted leftists,” why don’t you explain precisely why it would be so horrible if users were able to install whatever operating system they wanted to install on the devices they’ve purchased with their own money?
Ability for OS makers to freely port their systems would be super cool. Replacable batteries with this and imagine how used phone market would shine up.
My parents won’t spend more than 150$ on a phone. I don’t want to buy them cheap Android phones that are always loaded with spyware and installs dozens of bloat on first boot. I want to buy used 5 year’s old phone with much high build quality, then slap new lightweight OS and new battery in it.
You say that like Apple would have to put in a ton of work for that. Android can already run on iPhones. It’s just an ARM computer. Project Sandcastle already exists. All they have to do is allow unlocking the bootloader just like they do on macs.
Well, an unlockable bootloader that allows flashing any operating system would be nice. You can install Linux on a Macbook, so why not an iPhone?
Hardware should not ever be locked to an operating system.
It’s NOT just phones.
It’s EVERYTHING with a battery. Including cars, laptops, e-bikes, video game controllers, headphones etc. (im not even sure if there are exceptions, such as tiny tiny “airpod” like things… ?)
And they must be (with a few exceptions) replacable by a “layman”, without the use of special tools - which means no heat pads, to soften up glue etc etc. (and for gods sake, i hope it also means apple can’t hardwareID lock a battery)
an exception mentioned in the EU document about the law says, high power batteries for example in an electric car, must be done by a profesional - but of course it still has to be “replacable” and not… tear the whole car apart and rebuild it using new batteries.
replacable batteries in headphones, bluetooth mice, laptops etc, is gonna be awesome.
and lets not forget, they have to recycle the old ones - and produce new batteries using recycled materials.
in fact, i will try to hold on replacing my current (2 year old) phone, and wait to get one before 2027. Usually the battery turns to shit in 3ish years.
