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time to stock up on crowbars and sledgehammers
I’ll get my own crowbars and sledgehammers, with blackjack and hookers!
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Oh, I’ll get mine from Amazon. They do 1 hour drone delivery now.
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You seem like a person who would enjoy a forced labour!
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No one says “I want to live in a totalitarian shithole” better than a veteran
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Same as any Trumper in my view
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“they aren’t authoritarian bootlickers when they support my interests” is such a mask-off take.
What a pathetic bunch of people trying to maintain the slave status quo in these comments. WHY are you fighting to maintain a world where people have to work low tier bull shit jobs to survive? The answer, you morons, is to let the robots be and improve society to the point technology said it would. We re the most productive we’ve ever been in our entire history yet work more than any other time in history. We need work reform, not a robot genocide.
Del Spooner would like a word with you.
yet work more than any other time in history.
My impression is that we’re the most leisurely, per capita, than we’ve ever been. The average workweek now is 34 hours, down from 60-70 in the 1850s.
I would disagree about your average because it’s brought down by people working multiple jobs that won’t generally staff them past those 30ish hours or what ever the magic number is to be just under the required time to be eligible for a benefits package. It’s a widely known problem in the work force.
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/what-are-full-time-hours
I would disagree about your average because it’s brought down by people working multiple jobs
No, as these are the numbers reported by worker’s themselves (Robert Whaples’s research) and not by their disparate employers. But looking at it as you suggested, it comes out to 34.3 hours.
Here are two more views on it:
https://ourworldindata.org/working-more-than-ever (world trends)
Lol? What you just said doesn’t disprove what I said. If people work multiple jobs their hours will be lower. Nothing in your studies you presented said people only work 1 job. Just that the hours at any given job are only 30ish hours. Still doesn’t talk about people working more than 1 job.
Low income white neighborhoods have lower crime rates than black middle/high income neighborhoods. There is no more blind person that the one who doesnt want to see.
let the robots be and improve society to the point technology said it would. We re the most productive we’ve ever been in our entire history yet work more than any other time in history. We need work reform, not a robot genocide.
I am in agreement with you, but the problem is the work reform part is not forthcoming. The delivery robots didn’t come with a helping of any kind of labor reform, whatsoever, and will not come with one either without some kind of violence to usher in the deal. The capitalist class would not allow it to happen any other way.
Is lemmy like the unofficial gathering place for commies? I see more commie garbage on here than reddit, which is saying something.
Where is the “commie garbage”?
People here are making valid complaints about the state of society.
Most people know that communism isn’t the answer.
Mostly everyone who says taking someone else’s property is okay if you feel they deserve it, or the seller deserves it. If you don’t see a huge commie bent here, then I would assume it’s because you are a commie or are commie-adjacent. For real, maybe I’ve just stumbled on the perfect mix, but I’m finding lemmy to be rife so far.
Mostly everyone who says taking someone else’s property is okay if you feel they deserve it
I don’t think that’s ok. Humans need their space, man.
If you don’t see a huge commie bent here, then I would assume it’s because you are a commie or are commie-adjacent
I see a moderate and a left bent here. Both of those I vibe with, but the left isn’t synonymous with communism or even marxism.
And there’s also idealism, of course - there’s plenty of that everywhere on the Internet.
My view of the left is that they want an infra that’s more aligned with the EU or Scandanavia.
That’s definitely not communism. NK is communist, and there are very few people who want NK.
If you truly believe that it still makes 0 sense to use the violence against the robots who have 0 idea why they’re being attacked and even when destroyed change nothing(because destroying these won’t stop companies from making better more lethal versions).
When I said violence I don’t mean against the robots (which you can damage but not commit violence against). It’s just a computer on wheels. I meant that labor reform will involve violence between people in the labor class and the capital class. Our American history is full of examples of exactly this kind of thing happening between a protest labor movement and its countervailing force.
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It hurts no one? Besides the company that has to replace those items and the person who paid to order them durrrrrrrrrrr.
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Small businesses don’t have CEOs and often employ their whole family.
Are small businesses the ones using these robots?
In the case of uber Eats and many non-chain pharmacies, yes. We have Wing here which solves the theft problem.
yet work more than any other time in history
1903 would like a word.
In an ideal world these robots would shift to there not being a need for “unskilled labor” and we would all have more leisure time. In the late stage capitalistic hellhole we are forced to live in, huge organization replace minimum wage jobs with robots and hoard profits and push people further unto poverty, while still overworking and underpaying the few people they do still employ.
If we had a ubi, then robots and self checkouts taking minimum wage jobs wouldn’t be an issue because the person who’s job was taken isn’t just displaced and faces homelessness or death.
So I sympathize with the people who are complaining about the robots. As much as I want a scifi future with a bunch of automation, I want exploitation of the lower class to end first.
Which is literally what my comment says, it’s a work reform problem not a robot problem. This is literally exhausting your anger and energy on the wrong thing. Do you really think destroying some robots will change society?
Destroying robots won’t change society, but it can give you free shit.
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Yes I’m sure you’ll be all for it till someone lifts your shit. Then you’ll cry like the little bitch you are. Typical fuck you I got mine mindset.
The unemployment rates in the USA and Canada are both far below norms. These robots aren’t taking anyone’s irreplaceable job. Of all the things they are (ugly, intrusive, annoying), one of the things they’re not doing is driving up unemployment. At worst, someone has to change jobs.
My brain assumed from the title that this would actually be about robot porch pirates now prowling the neighbourhood. I’m thankful we’re not there… yet.
These robots are a hazard and a nuisance to the pedestrians. I won’t shed a single tear for these tincans on wheels. I would not order one of these either.
You don’t get to choose if your order is delivered by one… these have been in operation worldwide since 2014, alongside traditional delivery drivers
Fuck those cogs or any human that dares to be an aug. I’ll trashem whenever I see em.
“Cogs” - did you really just use a slur they invented for Deus Ex game as a real slur? Gonna call them clanks and hanzers too?
Even if you did, you realize those are in universe slurs and indicate the person is ignorant, right?
Without that context the above comment is deranged.
Yeah cars are so much better and safer \s
This is actually how rights for robots will be a thing. So the proletariat knows to stay in line and never harm or try to subvert the robots made by the elite class to extract wealth
the workers work for a company
Exploiting the proletariat
the robots do it instead
Extracting wealth
Here’s an idea, don’t launch these services in low trust, high crime places. In California, people can walk into a fully staffed Walgreens and commit blatant theft with no repercussions; a poor robot out in the world stands no chance.
Youve fallen into a rightwing echo chamber:
Maybe we cried too much’: Walgreens hints it exaggerated shoplifting surge
I used to work in a Vons in Santa Monica in 2016. We had thefts every day. Some even got violent. Our manager got tired of it and threatened to break someone’s legs after they walked out of the store with something one morning. The theft problem in CA is real.
CA had a republican governor for how many years? It’s completely exaggerated by Republicans
CA is not as liberal as people make it seem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_California_Proposition_187
And they canned Affirmative Action in 1996
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_California_Proposition_209
Yeah, it’s called shrinkage and it’s built into the profit model of all brick and mortar stores. Every store has some degree of theft, and while it increased for a short time during the middle of the pandemic, its since tapered off to normal levels.
If you read the article I posted, its clear that the rate of theft is exaggerated overall in California, especially by the commentors chosen example, Walgreens.
I’m sorry to hear about your personal experience with Vons, but it also sounds like your manager had anger issues and was part of the problem.
When I’m working 12 hours a week and seeing 3-5 thefts, plus violence, every week, it’s more than just “shrinkage.” I can’t speak for all of CA, but that was my experience.
I used to work at a Ralph’s in Santa Monica and no one stole anything ever
The Ralph’s surrounding Santa Monica are pretty evenly spaced out, except for a mysterious hole where downtown Santa Monica is. My store was near downtown Santa Monica.
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Actually it can have repercussions on them… A lot of companies give bonuses to store managers for reducing their shrinkage, even by .5%. The inherent problem with that strategy 90% of the time it’s the lowly employee who actually does the work. Therefore the manager get more money for the employee doing the job they should do themselves for the bonus. Now mom and pop shops it makes sense, but these big corpo’s only care about increasing payments to their shareholders and board of directors.
Now when the manager is asked for a raise, they will act like it’s coming out of their own pocket. In all seriousness, being employed is nothing more than indentured servitude. This is why people in general cannot make any headway in business unless they put themselves in debt for 30 years to be educated to do a job. Mind you better than 60% of college graduates don’t even get a job in the field they went to college for.
And don’t even get me started on the predatory practices of colleges.
Lol, as if theft only happens in California. This is a ridiculous statement to make.
There’s a lot of parallels here. One I’m not on the side of Walgreens and I’m not on the side of the robot. If it comes down to petty crime but the only victim is an insured multi-billion dollar conglomerate I’m not going to shead a tear.
The laws for thee and not for me.
The moment I start deploying robots on publicly funded sidewalks in attempt to undercut the working class, feel free to crack one open and steal some pizza rolls.
I’m far from a Luddite and I think robots in general are cool. But I kind of don’t have an issue with people fucking up autonomous roaming robots. I haven’t rationalized that opinion just yet, I guess. Just feels right.
Philly did nothing wrong
Under captialism we lament robots taking our jobs, where under a better system we would be rejoicing.
Do you mean the system where people would have the opportunity to cook better food for themselves instead of ordering fast food and paying exorbitant fees to have it delivered?
Pepperidge Farm remembers
https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/hitchbot-robot-beheaded-philadelphia-feat/index.html
The rational could be that those robots are taking the job of a human being and deserve to be robbed…
That is LITERALLY the meaning of the “Luddite” position that has been disclaimed.
Using cars to deliver food pays very little, is dangerous (old guy with shotgun shoots your brains if you go to the wrong house), and is extremely bad for the environment. Current delivery workers could switch to a safer job with better pay and not damage the environment as much. Or we can implement UBI. Just a thought.
Edit: I would also like to point out a robot’s electric bill for a trip is much cheaper when compared to a gas or even an electric car. Ideally, the savings would be passed along to the customer.
Well… an old man shooting your brains out for ringing the wrong doorbell is a complete different problem.
We can also make robots to do that more efficiently.
I hate this argument… Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a job that pays a livable wage?
People aren’t dealing with the dangers of delivery because they are lazy or unmotivated, they are doing it because they need the work and it pays barely enough to meet their needs.
Yes, thats why we need some fucking change in the world. My argument is just saying delivery robots are not bad.
Where the hell did I say delivery workers were lazy?
I don’t think waving away being a Luddite just by saying so makes it so.
I can’t think of a single angle of principled moral theory that makes this okay. Vandalizing or stealing someone else’s property they paid for. Hurting both the restaurant and the customer by depriving them of their food. Holding back progress on an invention that can reduce the need for humans to engage in a type of work that is hard, dangerous at times, and low paid.
From a purely rational on paper view, it doesn’t look terribly different than saying vandalizing or stealing from delivery vehicles driven by people isn’t wrong. What possible justification could there be for this view besides Ludditism fuck robots?
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I don’t think waving away being a Luddite just by saying so makes it so.
Guess you know me better than I know myself.
From a purely rational on paper view, it doesn’t look terribly different than saying vandalizing or stealing from delivery vehicles driven by people isn’t wrong. What possible justification could there be for this view besides Ludditism fuck robots?
Imagine thinking humans are rational beings the debate ethics every time they have a feeling. Sometimes you just gotta fuck shit up.
I wonder if people had more prospects would crime go down?
That’s a rhetorical question by the way. Petty crime is a failure of society.
I don’t think that robots should be allowed to take up space on our sidewalks. Sidewalks are meant for people to travel on and we shouldn’t be inconvenienced by having to avoid some annoying-ass robots rolling down the middle of them all the time. They ought to be considered motor vehicles and banned from sidewalks. That being said, stealing people’s deliveries is wrong and I don’t think it’s a good way to combat robots encroaching on our space.
Maybe just overturn them so it becomes unprofitable?
I was thinking you could pick them up and set them in nearby bushes or something so it’s out of everyone’s way. You aren’t damaging it and it’s impossible to argue that robots should have right-of-way. If you overturn them, the company might be able to bitch that you scratched the paint or something.
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The only stain on humanity is you. Congrats!
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You okay with people fucking up vending machines and ATMs too? Why or why not?
Not OP, but I would like to state that I am ok with that. You pulled a human out of the loop, and that comes with risks. Business decision.
Wouldn’t this justify vandalizing any type of machine whatsoever? Get in an elevator and nobody is looking? Stab the control panel so they have to get a human in the future making the elevator. See a car and no one is looking? Set it on fire so they have to use a human pulled rickshaw instead.
Ok, so if it’s not a vending machine, but a cashier and cashier gets punched by a robber it’s ok as well?
You’re all making logical ethics arguments on a flippant emotional comment I made. You ever just have intrusive thoughts that make you just want to fuck some shit up? That’s what these robots make me feel.
People take every comment way too seriously.
I agree with you. That Philly robot wasn’t even a robot, it was a pile of garbage in a chair.
“Smaller delivery robots feature cameras and sirens to ward off thieves and vandals, though these measures do not appear to be effective in all instances.”
Well of course not, that’d be like someone screaming “STOP!! STOP!!” over and over as they’re being beaten down to death.
These things need to deploy gasses and non-lethal weapons if they want to be effective. Can’t afford it? Oh well.
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1 spray can of black paint vs 1000 robot cameras, who wins?
Version 2 will be weaponized…
This is how we get Terminators, who would’ve thought?
If I can get Arnold Schwarzenegger delivering my food, I’m all for it.
I’ve seen a documentary where Arnold delivers an action figure to a kid in a jetpack. That’s definitely the future I want
I’ll be back with your dessert.
walking into a McDonald’s totally naked after appearing in a time bubble outside
“I need 3 big Mac’s, 3 large fries and 3 medium cokes. To go.”
It better be. I want a challenge next time.
I support it.
modern crimes in modern times
Well, this is a side of snow crash I didn’t expect to see so soon.
Actually just had that book delivered today, pretty excited to read it
Everyday we are one step closer to the plot of Demolition Man. I cannot wait to taste some boosted Taco Bell.
Great. Just great. I either figure out the g*damn seashells or pay for my toilet paper at the courthouse.
They’re bidet controls. One would be for front wash, another for rear wash, and the third one for air dry. There may be temperature controls hidden somewhere nearby, or more likely the system recognizes the user and automatically uses those temperature settings, and the seashells are just gussied up push buttons.
This is the most plausible and simultaneously worst possible answer to that bit.
When wasn’t it going to be a thing?
