What websites and for what purpose does gov want to be censored?
The article mentions the current idea is to censor phishing websites.
How many times did internet petitions actually changed something
In this case they can create an indication of popular support that opposition politicians may be motivated to use.
A lot, actually
In Russia change org was one of very few channels to bring change into politics.
For some reason our politicians actually listened to those. So it was a very useful tool.
Unfortunately, I don’t have much idea how effective it is since Feb of 2022. Imagine our gov as an armodillo. It has a sturdy shell, so it is very hard to get good changes through it’s head. Now that armodillo closed up in a ball, it lives in it’s own bubble, its being fed by it’s own lies. Nothing good can come out of that head. And it doesn’t.
Petitions have weight providing they’re coming from the right places. There’s a difference between the random internet petitions that random users make, and petitions coming from bodies such as unions or regulatory bodies.
This is a petition being put forward from a well known organisation, so I would gather it actually has some weight.
Same thought train like people claiming a protest march does nothing. You couldn’t be more wrong. Making your opinion heard and showcasing how many people are with you has impact.
In fact, I’ll turn your logic upside down: if your protest didn’t get the result you wanted, you just didn’t mobilize enough people (or not enough people cared for your cause)
No, I’m just genuinely interested, that’s it. No negativity.
A march moves past people physically. An online petition just stays contained in its little bubble.
Bollocks. For example in Germany, online petitions on a government run website that reach a certain threshold of people signing are automatically discussed in parliament.
And in the Firefox case here, no idea what they are planning but they could for example hand over the printed out signatures or dump them in the politicians post box or whatever. Have some fantasy.
This petition is hosted on Mozilla’s website.
If i was a hacker, i would penetrate their system ( shouldn’t be that hard as most if their operating system are old, and supervised by even older persons and methods), deface their website to inform the population, and ask to take back their ideas as a ransom for not divulging some weird shit they must have on their computers.
Hacking for sure isn’t hard at all. I regularly hack into everything and it’s true that everyone is so old that they are napping at their desk so I just inject my new binary data (which goes right past their really old binary data because it’s so old) and get all the data I need which I send to as many young people as I can
Does a r/master hacker community exist on Lemmy? Because your comment sounds like it fits there.
Don’t let your dreams be dreams
Unfortunately i think i’m too old for this. All i can do is try to spread the word to younger people, try to make them change how they think. But it’s harder now that they have tools to mass influence them. They are efficient and they use them on people younger and younger, and most of our society is built around it. I’m still glad to still have dreams and hope that someday, some people will make it a reality.
What you are describing is a serious crime, and for good reasons. It might be true that finding a way to do this is possible, but if exploited, that action could have very serious consequences.
Implying any revolution is legal or needs to be
Sometimes you got to do what you got to do. Time ago people fought and die for our rights and our liberty. It’s even in our national motto. Now seeing all of these stripped little by little, seeing some far right ideologies become more and more common when other people also fought and die for not so long ago, is simply disgusting and unbearable. If what i talk about is a crime, it’s still a lesser crime than what they are doing, they’re the real criminals. And they shouldn’t forget what even ancient people did when they got sick of the governing peoples’ shit. They cut their heads off. That was a serious crime, but if it wasn’t done, the current republic (and surely also myself) won’t be here today.
The French government also recently proposed to force pornographic websites to ask their identity card or passport to french users before letting them access the content, to prevent minors from viewing it. Really stupid, ineffective and authoritarian. Children should not see pornographic content, but this won’t solve the problem. (the linked article is in french).
I don’t know what France is like these days, but as I see the US and my country flirting with conservative homophobic politicians, I absolutely refuse to tie the porn I browse to my government ID.
All this will do is make people change which site they go to for their masterbatory needs.
I’ll just use the KFC website then. Pretty hot if you ask me.
The far right is practically guaranteed to win the next presidential elections, a literal Nazi party has 90 MPs, moderate leftist politicians are being ostracized as “outside of the republican way”.
So, not very well.
Using “Moderate leftist politicians” to depict Melenchon and its party is a very dubious take. And I won’t ho into the use of “nazi” for convenience, refardless of the truth of the matter.
Melenchon is a normal leftist, not far left. He is a social-democrat. I wish he was as extremist as the right wing says he is.
RN is definitely a Nazi party. It was founded by collaborators. They cannot erase their history, and they are still close to violent neo-Nazis groups.
No. You could reasonably argue that the LFI program is social-democrat, but their internal democracy is a joke, and JLM himself consider the Venezuelian political system to be a model while being remarkably tolerant of Russia’s imperialistic moves. This guy’s a crypto-tankie.
As for the RN, there are a fair number of fascists in the party (and nazis too, but that’s different), but they mostly seems there because there are no legal political formation further right. The voting base don’t particularly support them, and even the high management is annoyed by their presence/visibility… Even is their tolerance of it is far too much for my taste.
I insist on the “literal Nazi” part. One of the founder of the party, Léon Gaultier, fought with the Nazi in a Waffen-SS unit during the second world war.
Geez! Why is this shit happening everywhere? It’s like fascists got a direct connection to a lot of people’s brains.
Hot, but probably not too hot take: Other factors aside, people got dumber due to covid. They got literal brain damage. So when a reasonably intelligent person would be able to tell fascism as insustainable, they wouldn’t after their second or so infection.
The timing is wrong. The pandemic happened, at least in part, because fascism was already here before it started.
Trump clearly is fascist (and so is Bolsonaro, for the sake of argument), but that’s just two samples. Whereas e.g. france got rid of that Napoleon dude (you know who I mean) in favor of Macron.
I was making a much more narrow argument that the pandemic might have been averted entirely if not for the specific Trump policy I linked.
The pandemic got exacerbated in the US because of Trump’s dumbfuck negationist policies, but even countries with far tougher positions suffered pretty bad cases of COVID.
The CDC teams Trump shut down were designed to find new pathogens and stop them before they became pandemics. They might have prevented it from ever even leaving China and therefore saved the entire world from it, if they hadn’t been dismissed.
There was no Covid until late 2019, Trump, Alex Jones, Putin and other’s followers can’t use it as a Defense.
My take is that there is a link to the fact that energy is getting harder to access
The economy is directly related to energy, economic growth is linked to energy consumption growth. As long as we had plenty of fossil fuel easily available to economy was booming, the “American dream” period was also the period when the US was had a lot of oil field easily exploitable.
Thanks to this fossil fuel energy life was getting better every year for everyone. Everyone was getting a “bigger slice of cake” every year. In this context we’ve seen a lot of social progress.
Now energy is less accessible and most of the economic growth is going toward the 1% - 0.1% richest. So the “slice of cake” is now stagnating or even shrinking for most of the population. In this context fascism is tempting.
So, out of random reason, I read into Hitler’s wiki entry on Wikipedia. Basically, he had no skills or anything of merit. But, he had a strong way of wording through his speeches and pressing the right buttons of the people in the most opportunistic of times. That was all he had and he excelled in it.
The same exact practice is happening with people like Trump, people like DeSantis, people like Putin .etc
They’re getting as far as they are, because while they are seemingly preaching the choir, they’re using deceitful layers while doing so. Those layers being their own self-appeasing agendas.
Billionaires buying newspapers and TV channels in order to propagate their ideas. They like fascism better than socialism.
This government is getting dumber every day. Goddammit.
Can’t wait for the next government to get even dumber.
They indicted 7 people for Terrorism last year because they encrypted their disks, used tail as their OS and signal for communication.
You’re saying France convicted people for terrorism purely because they used encryption? That’s a bold claim. What’s your source?
I’m not quite sure which case, I think it was about activists (not sure tho), but these fact were indeed used as an argument to support the idea that they were terrorists, because they’re trying to hide something
Yep.
That’s a fucked up legal system…
The fact that you care about privacy means that you are hiding something which means that you are now a terrorist.
That sort of broken logic can apply to almost anything
The fact that you care about privacy means that you are hiding something which means that you are now a terrorist.
Closer to “we think you are terrorists, but cannot prove it because You’ve encrypted all the relevant sources of evidence. Therefore you must not only be hiding something, but hiding evidence that you did what we accused you of, which is clear evidence that you are a terrorist, or else you wouldn’t be hiding the evidence of your terrorism from us.”
Which is if anything even worse, since it presupposes that any accusation made is definitely true by default. Guilt until proven innocence has a bad track record.
Hey thanks for that. I heard about it but couldn’t find any details about it
No, that wasn’t the “reason” like you want to make it sound by using because without any modifier like “also”.
How would adding “also” fit in my sentence. I tried but couldn’t.
“also because”?
English isn’t my native language but still it feels very off. Is it even correct ?
“Correct” as in an allowed use? Yes.
It’s my native language and I have no idea what they’re getting at either.
Don’t worry…
That just makes it harder to read :( I think the original sentence is grammatically fine.
More words make read harder, that’s right. But you can’t use fewer words if the meaning changes because of that.
“They indicted 7 people for Terrorism last year, in part because they encrypted their disks, used tail as their OS and signal for communication.” would work maybe.
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Just block it at the ISP who puts this feature into the actual browser has this country even used the web before???
I assume they’re doing both to make the censorship harder to circumvent. Even with an alternative DNS provider or a VPN that’s hosted in a country they have no authority over, the browser’s still gonna catch it.
The harder you make it, the fewer people will attempt it and the higher the chance is that citizens will mess up.
- Ping website.ru
- Insert http://10.10.10.10 into browser.
Mastercraft hacking required to completely invalidate this effort.
How can I read more about that website? Is it a snowflake node or something?
It’s theoretical, it’s not a real website and 10.anything should be a local IP address.
It just illustrates that you can access a website through a browser without using a domain name.
Brother, you don’t know how fucking tech illiterate our government is (with a nice topping of being wannabe autocrats)
Alright, maybe you guys starting a sixth republic is not that bad of an idea.
Doesn’t firefox have the option to not officially be supported in france? Why are they asserting that they would automatically obey?
It’s much more productive to take part in steering the conversation instead of taking a position like the one you describe. After all, Firefox doesn’t have a huge market share to leverage. And assuming their goal of a safer, more secure and open internet are sincere, they would be playing into the hands of the competition.
I guess from the perspective of lawmakers, it’s no different requiring browsers to not display certain sites than requiring book stores to not sell certain books.
I can even see the “logic” in that to a degree, especially if the people talking about it are rather tech averse.
https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Coming_War_on_General_Computation
This seems like a relevant read (I’m a big fan of this speech/essay ;p). It makes this point more generally about how General Computation is fundamentally different from a lot of other aspects of regulation but politicians do not understand this so well >.<
As usual, Stallman was right. A fucking modern Cassandra, that guy is.
Why should a book store not be allowed to sell certain books? Tf? There’s nothing we can’t find online if we wanted to. Why would anyone want allow some self righteous asshat to determine which books you can and can’t read. Dangerous shit.
Because knowledge is bad for you! Books are the gateway to Satan, and the internet is the devils web!
You should burn your books and smash your computer!
You can trust me, I have a rectangular mustache and paint pictures of doggies!
So educate them?
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Aside this being extremely fucked up. Why do they even feel the need? I’ve been online most my life and have never been defrauded. Are there a shit ton of people in France getting scammed by stupid websites? Did they look at China and go, yes plz? Some authoritarian shit and extremely dangerous. Who’s going to be the fuck that decides which sites to block?
People might go online and find out that it’s not normal to have your country burn down every few months. They mights start getting angry at the people in power.
Just kidding, this is probably about protecting corporate profits from the evils of BitTorrent or some shit.
Instead of guessing, you could just… Google it. It’s about making harmful content unavailable to minors. I’m all for Internet freedom, but something makes me uncomfortable about protesting against protecting children from porn. It’s probably something to do with me seeing porn when I was young and it fucking me up for a long time.
It’s not the government’s job to parent someone’s children… Parents should take the time to learn about how computers and the internet work at a sufficient level so they can both teach their children how to act and what to expect on the internet, and to control what their child sees on the internet. The former is a backup in case the latter does not work.
I guess most peoples concern is that it means storage of their information somewhere in a database to allow the access. You may have got IDed buying physical porn back in the day, but the bloke in shop wasn’t taking a scan of your ID and putting you on a list of people who’d brought some grot.
While the idea of protecting children is admirable, at what point does it become a state issue rather than a parental one. There’s ways to control and limit what a connected device can view and those tools should be used before we go for the nuclear option. As a millenial with boomer parents, and the wild west nature of the internet in the 90s I can understand the situation meant my parents couldn’t really be expected to understand it all. If you’re a gen X/millenial with kids now, you should understand tech enough to sort this out yourself.
Totally, most people with young kids now grew up with the internet. It’s not a great unknown to them what’s out there for their kids to find and they should take their own measures to block that. It’s not the 90s anymore.
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All bills targeting your freedom are labelled “child porn” or “terrorism”.
After terrorists attack in France, state of emergency was declared, special powers to restrainesuspicious powers at home. We MUST protect people frometerrorists, right? If you’re against that, which side are you on? Very first usage of the power: restrain non-violent eco-activists to their home so that they don’t disturb the COP.
That pattern repeats over and over. They’re counting on you being sensitive to “child porn”, I bet you the initial list will include “eco-terrorists” sites (label used on anyone attending a climate protest they tried to prevent), political activists sites (you try to be anonymous on Internet? That’s SO suspicious!).
I’m sorry for what happened to you, but ri seriously doubt this bill is really intended to prevent that.
They want to hunt down the leaders of alt movement who organize strikes or interventions vs government projects. For exemples eco warriors, “yellow jackets” etc.
Sorry for my bad English.
Your English is fine. Though if im understanding correctly activist would be a better word than alt.
And yeah I agree this seems like the French government trying to track folks down so they can retaliate against them.
Why do they even feel the need?
Because the idea that the masses can freely disseminate information amongst themselves without needing the clergy or the state or “big media” to control it for them is like a splinter in the upper class’s minds.
How long till other countries try to implement it?
3, 2, 1…
What happened to parental responsibility?
