• deaf_fish
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    8 hours ago

    I am glad I went back to the basics.

    Gender is more complex than a binary. It’s not an inate thing, but it’s also not entirely a social construct.

    No! It is just a social construct and by saying that you made yourself a whole lot of transphobic friends.

    What it means to present as a man/woman changes over time. So there is no way gender can be innate to people.

    If gender were a pure social construct then they wouldn’t feel wrong with the gender assigned to them by society.

    Gender dysphoria is real but that doesn’t make gender not a social construct. If you want to be a woman and women wear dresses, you will want to wear a dress. If women wear hoodies, then you want to wear hoodies.

    I never said you needed to care, I said you needed to be polite if you make a mistake.

    Ok, from now on, every time you call me “deaf_fish”, I will tut tut you as say I think you mean “deaf_fish who likes the C programming language”. If you don’t remember to address me as such I will feel bad and it won’t be very polite of you.

    Edit: I have a question for you if English never had gendered pronouns, would you still be disagreeing with me?

    • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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      14 hours ago

      You’re confusing gender expression with gender identity, and not doing a great job at reading comprehension as well.

      Transphobes think gender is synonymous with biological sex. People who almost get it think that gender is entirely independent of biology. The truth is that gender is complicated. The link I shared gives a decent overview.
      Do you think trans people transition because one day they decided to on a whim? Do you think if you flipped a coin to pick a child’s gender that that’s what they’d be?

      Set aside that you’ve decided to argue and actually think for a moment. Where do you think gender dysphoria comes from?

      I don’t think your little argument is as compelling as you think. If you ask me to address you by a different name I would, and it is impolite to refuse to use someone’s preferred name.
      Let me guess, your one joke is “and I identify as an attack helicopter hyuck hyuck hyuck”?

      The crux of the matter seems to be that you think you shouldn’t need to be respectful to people except when it suits you, and you’re irritated people might judge you for that. You’ve also got that trumped up conservative "there’s so many rules nowadays! You can’t just make a joke anymore!” energy.

      Yes, if English never had gendered pronouns I’d still think gender as a concept would have reason to exist.

      • deaf_fish
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        14 hours ago

        I can’t tell if you are stupid, a troll, a transphobia, or being reflexively contrarian.

        My point was never that gender shouldn’t exist. And I admitted from my first post that I am willing learn peoples pronouns and address them as such (the tax comment). Just that I think it is a thing that should go away 200 years from now or so.

        I don’t see any point continuing this conversation with you. Have a nice life.