I have a unique name, think John Doe, and I’m hoping to create a unique and “professional” looking email account like johndoe@gmail.com or john@doe.com. Since my name is common, all reasonable permutations are taken. I was considering purchasing a domain with something unique, then making personal family email accounts for john@mydoe.com jane@mydoe.com etc.
Consider that I’m starting from scratch (I am). Is there a preferred domain registrar, are GoDaddy or NameCheap good enough? Are there prebuilt services I can just point my domain to or do I need to spin up a VPS and install my own services? Are there concerns tying my accounts to a service that might go under or are some “too big to fail”?
I can expand what hangs off the domain later, but for now I just need a way to make my own email addresses and use them with the relative ease of Gmail or others. Thanks in advance!!
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I don’t give my personal email address to literally anyone. Everyone gets an alias.
Once someone gets your personal email address and leaks it, there is no way to stop spam. You cannot delete your personal address because it is your account identity.
Firefox Relay, AnonAddy, SimpleLogin, all great services.
I have a business email address that I’m just unfortunately stuck digging through spam.
Purchase the domain with cloudflare, for email it depends how you use it:
With an email client like thunderbird:
A cheap service like mxroute is perfect
If you need to use a webmail:
You need to pay a lot because the free webmails are all unusable for advanced use.
Good options:
- Zoho at $1 per user per month
- Exchange with ovh at €3 per user per month
Bad options:
- Google workspace at $10 per month per user plus the blood rights for your firstborn and pray that they don’t alter the deal
- proton pro at $9 per user per month but IMHO is extremely overrated for what they offer at their price point (unless you need end to end encryption when emailing other proton users)
+1 for own domain and some email hosting service. That also makes it pretty easy to switch providers because you can simply point your MX records etc. somewhere else - no need to change the actual email address.
I can also recommend mailbox.org as an alternative to mxroute, they’re even a little cheaper at $3/month (mxroute is $49/year at minimum).
You may want to check lowendtalk. Jar (mxroute owner) run promo over there, at least once a year.
His last black friday link below. https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/190301/mxroute-black-friday-2023-email-hosting-that-spammers-crave-but-cant-have/p1
His black friday page still up too. https://mxroute.blackfriday/
Cheapest is $15/3 years for 10GB.
I’ve been using his service for years with no issue, and my account is grandfathered plan ($10/year for 50GB)
Non affiliate beside being their customers for years.
Thanks, didn’t know about those deals!
Protonmail is a honeypot. Stay away
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Self Dost is the perfect solution for you!
“Self” … “Dost”?
Idk, that looks strikingly like a no-brand Freedom box, except there are no specs to judge by. Just some super iffy, nondescript sales pitch. “That’s it, yes indeed”!
Thank you! :) I offer it. I assure you it is the best product that is theoretically possible!
Freedom box has inferior software. It is way heavier compared to our setup.
I have been using porkbun.com as a domain registrar.
For email hosting, self-hosting is a lot of effort. If you just want the damned thing to work. I’ve heard good things about Fastmail, and personally I’m using migadu.com. it’s $19/year for micro.
Use any imap client, or if you want to keep using what you’re using Gmail and Outlook and Apple mail apps w all support your new personal account over imap as well
I use Fastmail.
My domain has me plus the wife, and she’s not willing to tolerate any amount of fiddling or bugs or anything, so we needed something that would Just Work™, and Fastmail fits the bill quite well.
Their features are great, I actually prefer their app over the native iOS app, and they’ve been rock solid since I signed up. I can also have any amount of aliased and I can put all three of my domains on there. Plus they’re not Google which was the biggest thing I needed them to be.
Domain+Zoho Mail Lite subscription (less than 1€/month, ATM).
Do NOT self-host email! In the long run, you’ll forget a security patch, someone breaches your server, blasts out spam and you’ll end up on every blacklist imaginable with your domain and server.
Buy a domain, DON’T use GoDaddy, they are bastards. I’d suggest OVH for European domains or Cloudflare for international ones.
After you have your domain, register with “Microsoft 365” or “Google Workspace” (I’d avoid Google, they don’t have a stable offering) or any other E-Mail-Provider that allows custom domains.
Follow their instructions on how to connect your domain to their service (a few MX and TXT records usually suffice) and you’re done.
After that, you can spin up a VPS and try out new stuff and connect it also to your domain (A and CNAMR records).
That said, you can use a third party service only for sending, but receive mail on your self-hosted server.
I’ve been successfully using SES for a couple years now without issue.
Do you have more details on your setup?
I currently selfhost mailcow on a small VPS but I would like to move the receiving part to my homelab and only use a small VPS or service like SES for sending.
I set this up a couple years ago but I seem to remember AWS walking me through the initial setup.
First you’ll need to configure your domain(s) in SES. It requires you to set some DNS records to verify ownership. You’ll also need to configure your SPF record(s) to allow email to be sent through SES. They provide you with all of this information.
Next, you’ll need to configure SES credentials or it won’t accept mail from your servers. From a security standpoint, if you have multiple SMTP servers I would give each a unique set of credentials but you can get away with one for simplicity.
Finally you’ll need to configure your MTA to relay through SES. If you use postfix here’s a quick guide: https://medium.com/@cloudinit/sending-emails-with-postfix-and-amazon-ses-2341489a97e2
I’ve got postfix configured on each of my VPS servers, plus and internal relay, to relay all mail through SES. To the best of my knowledge it’s worked fine. I haven’t had issues with mail getting dropped or flagged as SPAM.
There is a cost, but with my email volumes (which are admittedly low) it costs me 2-3 cents a month.
They rejected me for using for personal notifications. I get being strict but good God let me use your service and if I abuse it shut me down.
What do you mean, “for personal notifications”? I have a bunch of alert notifications that route through SES back to me. Never had an issue.
SES requires a manual review by their support to be able to send external emails. I was requesting for access to send to my Gmail notifications (and friends technically) from my self hosted services. They rejected my request.
Weird. I don’t remember my exact request but it was basically “send email on my personal domains” and they approved it.
Must have had a nice representative! Haha
That’s what I’m doing. I have selfhosted E-Mail with YunoHost and send it through SMTP2Go.
@avguser@lemmy.world
I’ll second not self hosting email unless you’re in it for the experience.
I’d also strongly caution against hosting email for friends and family unless you want to own that relationship for the rest of your life.
If you do it anyway, you’re going to end up locked into whatever solution you decide for a long time, because now you have users who rely on that solution.
If you still go forward, don’t use Google (or msft). Use a dedicated email service. Having your personal domain tied to those services just further complicates the lock in.
(I did this over a decade ago, with Google, when it was just free vanity domain hosting. I’ve been trying for years to get my users migrated to Gmail accounts.)
If I had it all to do over again. I’d probably setup accounts as vanity forwards to a “real” account for people who wanted them. That’s easy to maintain, move around, and you’re not dealing with migrating peoples oauth to everything when you want to move or stop paying for it.
I have a bunch of users (friends and family) on a bunch of different domains. It’s honestly not so bad but yeah, you need a decent dedicated service.
Migrations aren’t simple but aren’t that complicated either (just did one last year).
I mainly need to copy their email over but it’s also a good moment to check they’re using decent passwords and to have them freshen it.
I also need to update their webmail and IMAP/SMTP URLs in their bookmark/email apps but I’ve been playing with DNS CNAMEs for this purpose and it’s mostly working ok (aliasing one of my domains to the provider’s so I only have to update the DNS which I do anyway for a mail migration).
My mistake was using Google but when it was just the ability to have a personal domain as your google account. But they kept expanding and morphing that into what is now Google Workspace. Migrating people off of that requires them to abandon their Google accounts and start over. If it was just email it would be a much simpler prospect to change backends.
Can you not transfer away a domain from Google as you would from any other registrar? And then set the MX records to point at another mail service?
I’d avoid Google, they don’t have a stable offering
What you you mean by not stable?
I’ve been (stuck with) Google Workspace for many, many years - I was grandfathered out from the old G-Suite plans. The biggest issue for me is that all my Play store purchases for my Android are tied to my Workspace’s identity, and there’s no way to unhook that if I move.
I want to move. I have serious trust issues with Google. But I can’t stop paying for Workspaces, as it means I’d lose all my Android purchases. It’s Hotel fucking California.
But I’ve always found the email to be stable, reliable, and the spam filtering is top notch (after they acquired and rolled Postini into the service).
I tore that bandwidth off a while ago. Same thing with trust issues and google.
Since then I set up a family account and use a regular Gmail account for app store purchases so I can change provider at any time. Can share most of my app purchases with family. I don’t actually check the gmail email. Just use it for Android services.
Yeah, that’s the other thing that shits me. Paying for my wife and I on Workspaces, and we don’t have family sharing rights. We’re literally paying to be treated like second-class citizens!
I mean, they kill services willy nilly. Sure Gmail will probably survive, but the rest drove me away (Reader, Music, …).
Regarding your Android purchases: At the time of my move I went through my list of apps I bought and tallied the ones up, that I still used. It was less than $50 of repurchases.
Don’t let those old purchases hold you back. Cut this old baggage loose.
At the time of my move I went through my list of apps I bought and tallied the ones up, that I still used. It was less than $50 of repurchases.
Yeah, I know this what I should do too. As someone else said in this comment thread, gotta tear that bandaid off at some point. Just shits me that I should have to. But the freedom after doing it… <chef’s kiss>
“But I shouldn’t have to” is a trap, everywhere it occurs. It cripples one’s ability to act on an emotional level, and manifests as all kinds of resistances and avoidances that ultimately prevent you from seeing the problem clearly - and if you somehow do see the problem clearly, you still don’t want to do anything about it.
The world owes you nothing. You exist. If you want love and fairness and a reasonable world, love and be fair and be reasonable, and choose to work together with those who are. Where you work, what you spend your time on, where you spend your money, and who you spend your time with are your places of impact. Don’t let others steal that - particularly over ‘but I shouldn’t have to defend myself.’
One warning, though: After moving, you’ll probably need another Google account again, to use the Play Store… it sucks.
Yeah, still got my ancient free Gmail account going. Will probably revert to that.
All good advice. I’d recommended protonmail for mail hosting - got very good experience with them and the onky downside is you have to use their client.
I was using proton for a while, but they are pretty expensive if you want features like catchall and more aliases, on top of restricting clients.
Migadu offers complete email freedom for $20 ($10 for students) a year, unlimited accounts, aliases, identities, etc. I’ve been very happy with them.
I’d throw in mailbox.org as a more privacy-focused alternative to Google and Microsoft. Been using them for years without issues. Only their 2FA solution sucks.
FWIW ive used Google for about ten years for email and have never modified my DNS records. They seem extremely stable.
It’s basically a Gmail account with a custom domain.
I did as well, but then I went Microsoft and never looked back. Google’s platform still feels like a shitty startup with missing stuff everywhere, compared to Azure (or AWS).
The only thing I’m missing is Google Photos, but there are self-hosted alternatives out, that I’ll try soon.
If you get your domain from OVH, you get one single mailbox (be it with a lot of aliases, like a different email-address for every service/website you use) for free.
I’ve done this in the past using Gmail. You pick a domain provider and get their email plan. Most offer both services. I’ve used name cheap.
Then in your regular Gmail account you can configure the IMAP settings from the domain registrar to receive the email from that inbox. Then in Gmail find the settings where you can send as another address. This lets you use that new address in our outbound mail. From there I just auto label the incoming mail to help sort the two addresses.
Now you should have your regular Gmail and your new novelty email all in one place.
Wait, does this mean you’re giving Gmail the password for the other mailbox?
That’s how IMAP works for any mail client
Well yes but normally the email client lives on my phone or PC so nobody else knows my email logins.
I use Google Domains to create custom email addresses on the fly that syphons to my personal Gmail address.
If I subscribe to a service, say Netflix, I just put netflix@mydomain.com and it automagically exists and redirects to my Gmail.
You mean Squarespace? https://support.google.com/domains/answer/13689670
EasyDNS.ca or if they also do EasyDNS.com
GoDaddy was a bunch of sleazebags, back in the day…
Go search http://slashdot.org/ for them, and see…
not only hosting lots of sleazebags, but also having tons of compromised mail machines, so their machines were, according to what I’d read there, the source of much of the world’s spam, and they wouldn’t fix things.
EasyDNS was recommended by one of the SysAdmin reporters on The Register, a few years ago.
He also recommended Linode & Vultr, back then, too.
This stuff in this comment is just my opinion, and my memory of what trustworthy people were reporting a few years ago.
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If you ever decide to host your own, via VPS or sth consider checking docker-mailserver and watchtower. First takes care of the mail stuff and the second updates your containers frequently so you will not have to manually update to new versions of the container (for security patches etc.).
There is a security risk of using your first name and last name in your email. It’s very easy for malicious people to send you emails specifically addressing you. I have realized it now and I take the extra steps to set up good spam blocking in my email.
Based on my personal experience, id say gmail, you only need a domain I used namecheap without any issue. You register with that on google, some settings you set on namecheap , it guides you all the way then you pay the lowest monthly fee, I pay 5.20 euros per month for my company’s mail.
You set up a main email then you can setup any number of aliases for yourself I think, you can also create group emails and assign yourself to it
I tried both hosting my own mail server and using a paid mail hosting with my own domain and I advise against the former.
The reason not to roll out your own mail server is that your email might go to spam at many many common mail services. Servers and domains that don’t usually send out big amount of email are considered suspicious by spam filters and the process of letting other mail servers know that they are there by sending out emails is called warming them up. It’s hard and it takes time… Also, why would you think you can do hosting better than a professional that is paid for that? Let someone else handle that.
With your own domain you are also not bound to one provider - you can change both domain registrar and your email hosting later without changing your email address.
Also, avoid using something too unusual. I went with firstname@lastname.email cause I thought it couldn’t be simpler than that. Bad idea… and I can’t count how many times people send mail to a wrong address because such tld is unfamiliar. I get told by web forms regularly that my email is not a valid address and even people that got my email written on a piece of paper have replaced the .email with .gmail.com cause “that couldn’t be right”…
Yeah, I use firstname@thelastnames.co
And EVERY DAMN PERSON corrects .co to .com
Unfortunately the .com.and .net are both used.
You can avoid the warmup by using an SMTP relay, and you can just use the one from your DNS provider if you’re not planning to send hundreds of mails per day.
I get told by web forms regularly that my email is not a valid address and even people that got my email written on a piece of paper have replaced the .email with .gmail.com cause “that couldn’t be right”…
That’s the thing that holds me back from a non-standard TLD, as much as I’d love to get a vanity domain.
I’ve got a .org I’ve had for over 20 years now. My primary email address has been on that domain for almost as long. While I don’t have problems with web-based forms, telling people my email address is a chore at best since it’s not gmail, outlook, yahoo, etc…
More and more services are REQUIRING a gmail/outlook/etc. account simply because bots/scammers bombard their services. It’s their cheap captcha.
I’m seeing it more and more and it infuriates me to no end.
I keep seeing people say this but I’ve yet to encounter it even once. I fully believe it happens with non-com/net/org TLDs but I’ve been using my .org as my daily driver for 2 decades and have never had it rejected or denied.
The last one I encountered was one of the AI tools. I can’t remember which one. They are popping up like fucking Starbucks now.
They required using your Gmail, Outlook, or Discord credentials.
As if a scammer can’t get a Gmail address. 😄 What does that even prove?
I think the point is that a scammer may have one or two. But not millions of Gmail addresses.
You mean those websites that instead of email input fields there are multiple horizontal stripes saying “Login with Google” and such?
I hate them, too… but I suppose it’s for the mobile crowd that don’t make distinctions between sms, fb/whatsapp messages, and email altogether.
I wonder if all those gmail accounts will be seen like yahoo addresses one day.
