We can’t be certan that that’ll happen, but no matter if it does, or where you live, shit’s gonna get wild sooner or later. Global warming is getting worse and worse as I’m typing this, wars and straight up genocides are happening everywhere, and fascism is on the rise. Stay safe, for in the case we as a species survive this shitstorm, future generations will rise again. If we don’t, then good night everyone.
Project 2025?
I’m not saying you’re wrong but this feels like a super-Russian national subversion ploy.
It sort of is and it isn’t, in a lot of ways.
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Polls have been notoriously unreliable for over a decade now. Part of it is cell phones, part of it is increasing numbers of people feeding false responses, trying to influence the poll.
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Do that many people really want to vote for Trump? Young people are notoriously leftist, and older people are notoriously conservative, and millennials on down are changing the path to becoming conservative as you become older. Meaning more and more people are leftist or liberal or centrist, and less and less are straight conservative. Trump’s comments literally lead to the death of millions of old people during COVID. We have yet to actually see in a major nationwide election whether or not he actually killed a sufficient enough of his own voters to start swaying elections towards the Democrats nationally.
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Democrats and the media are doing what they always do to the young when they complain that the Democrats aren’t doing enough: They’ll equivocate it with saying “I’m not going to vote for a Democrat!” which is actually not what most young people are saying as much as they hate that the Democrats are essentially holding their votes hostage by refusing to do better and hitting us over the head with “but if you don’t let us half ass it, FASCISTS WILL TAKE OVER” which is some seriously psychologically abusive shit, literally threatening us with fascism if we don’t give in to their half ass takes. However, as an old man, I’ve seen the Democrats do this to the youth and depress their own youth votes for forty years. I literally lived it myself as a youth, over 20 years ago. All they do is talk down to the youth and act like any critique of their policies must mean a vote for the Republicans, not a clear understanding that Republicans are far worse, but that’s not an excuse for Democrats to be the milquetoast halfass bullshit party.
So between Democrats shoving their own foot up their own ass like usual, and old people dying by the millions to preventable disease, it could still go either way, even without Russian’s trying to subvert the election. As usual, the Democrats are subverting themselves well enough already.
Careful with that rhetoric. There are Internet tough guys lurking who will gladly threaten to hit you for being so bold.
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Come to Canada, y’all
No, don’t. We need to build more homes first and we’re already way behind.
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We’ll bring construction workers and food overly-laden in sugar and salt
Leave the Mexicans in Mexico. They don’t want any of your bullshit.
I think in Canada they’re packaged as food adjacent products
Albertan here, please don’t it’s just 2015 era US politics instead right now
Aren’t you all catching enough bullshit just breathing the crazy fumes wafting over the border?
Those crazy people wont have a reason to leave the US though. They basically dont even know we exist anyhow.
The ones we want, the smart people, are the ones that will move. And we could definitely use more skilled labourers to build those homes we are missing for example. Plus, Americans are already proficient in English so could work real well wherever they go.
Probably, at some point. Wealth disparity is wrecking a huge swathe of the population’s way of life. They’re restless and want change.
Politically, divisiveness is continually reaching new heights. Politicians, republicans for the most part, are more reactionary and less productive. They are now fueling the fear and anger of their constituents and it won’t end well.
Too many people are too comfortable to ever get off their asses to do anything more than bitch about it online. It’s a very small percentage of people that actually go to rallies and half of those people are middle class white people that have never known real hardship; the kind of people that are surprised when they get pepper sprayed while trying to break into the capitol. There won’t be a civil war, but we’re definitely on the brink of single party rule.
We’re like a bunch of frogs sitting in water that is being slowly brought to a boil, but except for water it’s fascism and half the country is okay with it because they think they are “saving the children.” The other half think they can stop it. I think that both sides might be delusional.
It’s hard to do more when we’re working ourselves to death just to afford basic necessities. That tipping point gets closer and closer though.
And how many of frogs are there that just simply don’t care what happens?
The US right now looks like Germany just before they put the Nazi party in power.
Lots of FUD, angry constituents, a faschism-adjacent party on the ballots, and lots of hate.
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Great article, thank you!
There’s unfortunately a lot to compare with the two parties.
After, no doubt, but how soon? Whoever has control of the major bulk of the military writes the next version of the US though because as much as Cleatus & Co want to think otherwise their stash of AR15s isn’t going to to a damn thing if a tank is rolling up the street.
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I think it depends a lot on who wins the election.
I believe there might not actually be a winner. The race could be so close both sides will dispute it, and turn to violence because they feel the election was stolen from them.
We see signs of this now – younger voters are turning away from Biden because of Palestine, and Trump is leading in several key swing states but only by an ass-hair.
So I cast doubt on the people who think this’ll be one-sided against Trump supporters. Also they themselves have tanks, it’s legal to own them. But people conveniently forget that.
fuck the 2 party system pick libertarian
I’m not sure if it’s even possible for a third party to win an election with the way the electoral system is set up.
I actually don’t have anything against the concept of voting third party. But only if one of those parties will put up somebody that isn’t fucking crazy. If the libertarians put up someone like Jo Jorgenson again, why would anyone vote for them?
The only way a third party will ever be viable in a first-past-the-post system is if you infiltrate one of the two real parties and get enough candidates elected who have pledged to replace the FPTP system that got them elected and replace it with something that makes it a viable decision to vote third-party, such as ranked-choice voting.
Thus the ‘whoever controls the military’ qualification. I like to think that the folks charged with defending the nation would hold for the established order, but it’s also a collective of individuals that could go warlord and throw in with a new revolutionary force.
No, these guys are way less organized than last time and Donald Trump is getting fucked in court still. I think its less likely now than it was 4 years ago. The GOP is fracturing and losing steam. Senators and governors are still a threat but not in the civil war type of way I don’t think.
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Unification.
That’s the main lacking puzzle piece on both sides.
If the left were unified there wouldn’t be a republican in politics.
If the right were unified, you wouldn’t have jackasses running their mouth at every opportunity just to get a news blurb generated about themselves.
The old adage about United we stand, divided we fall? Technically, our divisions are the only thing keeping us up right now.
If we ever come together it will end in nuclear hellfire
Organizing a war against the us army would take a lot of planning. Unless trump wins, controls the army, and enough generals agree.
I always like to say everyone should have a zombie survival plan. Is there any possibility of zombies? No. But there’s a lot of overlap between prepping for the exciting, fictional disaster and boring, real-world natural disasters.
- Having a fireaxe in your trunk might not let you chop off zombie heads, but it’ll sure be useful for clearing road debris after a hurricane.
- Having a bug-out-bag with important documents and bottled water is also great for wildfire preparedness, even if that bag also has a spiky leather jacket in it.
I encourage people to have a civil war plan. Do I expect we’ll have one? Not really, it wouldn’t be a two-sided conflict. But we can expect to see domestic terrorism (see also: insurrection) and potentially police riots (the police enacting organized violence as they did in 2020). If you’re ready for a civil war, you’re ready for the more mundane breakdowns we’re more likely to see.
- Knowing first aid and how to treat a gunshot wound might not find use on a battlefield, but it could easily save someone’s life in a mass shooting or isolated hate crime.
- Having ad-hoc or peer-to-peer communications is useful during riots and power outages.
- If you can move ordinance discreetly across state lines, you’ll probably find the skillset applies to moving red state refugees as well.
- Building a network of people you trust to band together when SHTF? Brother, you just invented a mutual aid network.
So yeah, if you feel anxious about the possibility of a civil war (or zombies), channel that energy into prepping for it, and you’ll find that even if your predictions were wrong, your effort will not go to waste.
Can a mod pin this comment?
Funny enough, I don’t know how to pin a comment. I’ll look up how!
I’ve been learning how to use Meshtastic recently and getting friends interested in setting up fixed nodes around the city I live in. I live in Australia and successive governments on both sides of politics have repeatedly restricted the right to secure, private communication.
Thank you for giving me justification for buying myself a fire axe!
You guys are giving Republicans way too much credibility.
Better to take their threat as creditable now than to be surprised later
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Democrats too. half the country lost a pretty significant right to their own bodily autonomy that they’d taken foregranted for basically their entire life. and they just… rolled over and took it? that’s about the most concrete domestic loss they’ve taken this century, and more concrete than anything else on the table right now, so i honestly don’t know what would have to happen in order for the left to do anything meaningfully violent.
I’m sorry, but what were your expectations towards the Democrats here?
These anti abortion laws were enacted at state level. By Republican state governments whose representatives were elected by the people. What did you want the Democrats to do here? Even if they complained, in the end if they don’t have the majority in the state government, they have no power to do anything.
Even at the federal level, the Senate is 48 Democrat members, 49 Republican members and 3 independents. They don’t have the majority there either.
And in the house of representatives, the Republicans are the majority with 220 members vs 213 as Democrats. They still don’t have the majority there.
And if you look at the supreme court, Trump packed it with Republican judges.
So what are your expectations towards the Democrats??? If people don’t elect them, they can’t do anything.
The president can’t step in and cancel any of these anti abortion laws because it’s the will of the people. (In a way)
That’s what happens when people are apathetic and don’t go out to vote.
I promise you that even if everyone in my state turned up to vote, we’d still elect fascists. This is clearly a system failure.
what you say is entirely consistent. it’s a strong belief in democracy as a process with no bounds/constraints, as an ultimate good in and of itself. and it’s sort of my point: in the “civil war” frame, Democrats are super unlikely to instigate violence. your neighbors will vote away all the things you value, out of religious beliefs you disagree with or merely out of spite, but that’s okay, so long as they do so democratically.
i meet enough democrats (little d) who say they wouldn’t comply with a draft, even if enacted democratically. my thoughts are that there’s at least a few things similar to that: decisions where your own interests shouldn’t be subservient to the will of an abstract majority. the surprise with abortion for me is that for my whole life, that was de-facto such an example. it wasn’t treated as a thing that had been decided democratically, just as a thing which was. then some people far away said “abortion should be decided democratically”, and the number of people around me saying “actually no it shouldn’t” was way smaller (i.e. zero) than the number of people who say that about things like the draft. i still don’t know how to square that, but to answer your “what were your expectations towards the Democrats here” question, well, you asking that is the answer to why i think “civil war” talk is so beyond the pale.
So long as we have mass precarity this is going to continue to be a risk. And we’re going to have to deal with renegade MAGAs and Project 2025.
After 2016, I don’t trust the people of the US not to vote in fashy autocrats.
What is P25?
Only the plan to turn the United States government into a broad amalgamation of totalitarianism and fascism.
Americans need to stop electing fascists
The problem is, the politically daft don’t comprehend the risk that comes when fascists get elected, and when their life is in precarity (say, one paycheck or one bad illness away from homelessness) then some strong, confident Mussolini-wanabe starts looking attractive, especially when what he promises is too good to be true.
During the Great Depression, different factions were seriously considering going full fash or trying out communism. (The growing pains of the Soviet Union didn’t seem worse than living in cardboard boxes here in the States.) FDR’s New Deal was a stopgap measure so that the industrialists could get their act together. Well, they resented having to consider the public then, and they still do now.
And as Iran has shown us recently, violence is unthinkable for the most of us, until the hour it’s inevitable.
Doubt it. Of course skeletor is going to say that.
Yeah I don’t know about “likely” but it’s not a bad thing to have.
I left the country to study abroad in 2012, and after 2016 was firmly in the camp of never moving back
Can I ask where you moved?
Sure, I moved to study abroad in Salzburg Austria and graduated here It’s a very pretty city
How do they react to migrants and how long did it take for you to integrate?
Note: this isn’t going to look like the Civil War in the 1860s with pitched battles. It’s more likely going to look like The Troubles or La Violencia
Daily reminder that memes can’t predict the future.
