I remember my post in ITAP being removed because it had the word moody in the title
What does ITAP stand for?
Is This A Penis?
Interesting Trowels And Plows?
Irresponsible Tech And Puppies?
Much more boring I’m afraid, I took a picture
I’m afraid that is going to be the case anywhere there is moderation… even here.
I’ve definitely seen some emotional mods on Lemmy who relish in throwing gas at the fire before a ban and posts from people complaining about them. Hell, I have experienced it first hand. And it doesn’t look like anything is ever done about abuse. The sad thing is that Lemmy can change this but doesn’t look like it wants to.
“Post removed. Reason: Rule 1” No other explanation given and nobody oversees the moderation. The standard is on the floor. I’d be more than happy to volunteer if there was a auditing system in place. We to police the police, per se, and do so in a fair and transparent way.
It’s human nature … and it’s also politics and marketing
In the non political communities, the people with the most time take the opportunity to moderate. Unfortunately having time on your hands is not an indicator of wealth, ability or status. A percentage of these people are just internet addicted individuals that spend all their lives online. And a percentage of these people see moderating as way to give them power over others.
The other dynamic I see happening is politics and marketing and propaganda. In the political communities, important messages need to be pushed by state organizations or groups to push a message or react to opposing views. We like to think that we are a tiny independent bubble in Lemmy but the more popular it becomes, the more professional and dedicated marketers will migrate into the service.
It’s all human nature … the human nature to be in control, to have control or to exert control.
And like you say, the only way to moderate it all is to moderate ourselves and others on a continual basis.
“The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.” -Thomas Jefferson
We will never achieve a free form social media that can be open, inclusive and safe for everyone … we have to realise that we have to always be fighting and advocating for one, otherwise we will always run the risk of giving room to those who want control over everyone and everything.
emotional mods on Lemmy
Post removed. Reason: Rule 1 (be civil)
even here
Here is especially bad.
I’ve seen it happen here already.
The Nazis always chose the biggest losers of a neighbourhood to act as „block wardens“, I.e. snitches who’d report to them what the neighbours were talking about…
It happens on Lemmy, as well. I have seen posts removed according to a “rule x”, where “rule x” when the post didn’t go anywhere near “rule x”. I just left the community, even if those posts weren’t mine.
When the billionaire sister of Elaine Chao (wife of Moscow Mitch and nepotism hire in the Trump administration) drowned in a Tesla, I got banned for 3 days for “celebrating her death” even though I did no such thing:
The same mod banned 13 other people for the same thing in the same thread, even though only one or two of them had actually broken the rule.
Deserved it.
Why do you think so? I didn’t break any rules and it’s not like any of the people who know that billionaire leech on society (but I repeat myself) are going to go on Lemmy to see my joke 🤷
Wishing ill on someone purely because they’re wealthy is gross, and also just plain cringe.
First of all, I didn’t wish ill on anyone. I made a joke about it being unfair to connect an innocent non public person to Moscow Mitch, then pretended TP concede the point because of her billionaire status.
Secondly, being a billionaire isn’t just “wealthy”. It’s a grotesque level of wealth hoarding that’s impossible to achieve without abusing and/or severely depriving people who have done you no harm. THAT’S “plain cringe”.
Pictured: what most people would consider a significant amount of money, what most people would consider a large enough net “worth” to be wealthy and a ridiculous dragon’s hoard, respectively:
This also applies to Tankie instances like .ml. If you’re critical of them in entirely different instances. Last straw for me was getting a comment removed for “bigotry” when I responded that I still visit r/rimworld on a thread asking how things are since the reddit migration. Nothing in my post was bigotted in any way, so I assume one of the mods sifted through my comment history and saw I had recently mocked Tankies in a different thread entirely
This is one of the problems with the public mod log that Lemmy has. Transparency is one of the worst things to have when dealing with bad faith actors since it’s nothing but a public record of their “accomplishments.” It won’t stop shitty mods from being shitty.
One of the problems with the public mod log on a federated site is a moderator can just write something egregious for the ban reason and then the user is stuck with that. It propagates across instances too. I have a huge list of banned users who I never actually banned, and I assumed were banned by other instance moderators.
Having a lot of features to try to thwart bad moderation on a federated platform isn’t really that important anyway since it’s easy for anyone to simply create their own instance and users can migrate there.
I mean, the issue with my comment removal wasnt the transparency, it was that I had a harmless and perfectly contributing comment removed for no reason, the “Transparency” of “Rule 1” didnt apply to my comment in any way, nor was I causing a commotion on the thread.
edit: Lmao ok, the modlog is back to showing what my comment was, apparently I DID call out Tankies, albet passively, in my removed comment. So a bit snowflakey, but NOT as bad as I originally thought. Oh well, any instance that thinks the word Tanky is bigotry isnt really worth my time either
it’s a problem on .world, too, including their matrix instance.
It’s getting worse lately with the tankies here. Seems like hexbear and lemmygrad are spilling over, not a surprise shortly before the election but I’m worried people will leave because of it.
Does Lemmy have a feature for individual users to block instances?
lemm.ee does, anything hexbear is auto blocked for me, and after that rogue comment removal, I added .ml to that. I have a feeling in the future I might have to ban more as the Tankies try and dodge people making it clear we dont want to listen to their brain cancer
tbh I think its because people started to block Hexbear and Lemmygrad more, so they had to migrate to the more tolerated servers more because none of us wanted to hear them talk about minority rights in their one hand while jerking off dictatorships with the other
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100%
The rules end up there because people complain about things and then the mods implement a rule to ban the things people complain about. Sometimes they let the community vote on it. It does end up being the vocal minority who the rules cater to sometimes.
I mean…there’s very good reasons to respect the wishes of minority groups sometimes (not always). It’s the reason they wrote the “First they came for the communists” poem.
And they have to be more or less vague to give the moderators room to decide if the rule breaker did it by accident or is just an asshole. Trolls will do anything to walk the fine line between not breaking the rules and being as annoying as possible.
the admins let people like akwardtheturtle have free rein over
hundredsthousands of subs until they protested the API stuffAwkward got banned right? Saw a post elsewhere about it
Awhile back yeah. I saw a post on reddit back then of their post-ban discord meltdown… it was exactly what you’d expect
Oh man, that would have been fun to see.
Don’t worry, it’s been documented: https://lemmy.world/post/455268
I feel like this problem is just part of the reddit/Lemmy model. 15 or 20 years ago, on an internet with different forums under different domain names on different hosts owned by independent admins, no one would ever be mod of 1000 different forums.
The problem is now that people don’t want to go to obscure forums or take the time to register accounts on dozens of websites. Everyone wants to be part of huge social media silos. Things like Oauth account creation might make that easier when users can do things like “sign in with Google.” Federation through sites like Lemmy could make things better since one account can access every other instance, but I don’t see normies ever adopting federated platforms unless each platform has an instance that becomes “The” instance where normies can enter “Lemmy” or “Mastodon” into Google and have that instance be the first result.
The world elites have a huge interest in keeping people in centralized silos because it makes it much easier to control the population when they’re gathered around only a few websites.
Juicy.
I used to help moderating a sub for a while, terrible hobby, you had this feed that was a constant stream of shit that you had to clean it out, some people of the internet are just disgusting.
Also being in part responsible about what to do with the people having a mental health crisis, it does affect you to an extent.
Wouldn’t do it again easily.
And people blame us for everything wrong with the sub too without having no clue about the whys, just to be in on the trend, and also endless fking drama, “why did you delete my hate speech 😭😭😭”.
Adult babies.
But yeah, some subs are moderated like shit, a lot of times the only people who remain are people who are in for the resemblance of power and don’t mind/like that kind of treatment, IE they’re as shit as what they’re moderating, rchile wasn’t really that way and that’s why it has been chronically undermodded and basically bleeds mods.
A few lemmy mods are no better.
Is that so?
Somebody posted a picture of a Harry Potter book burning in what I believe was a bird bath.
I commented that it was ironic that two groups so diametrically opposed as those that don’t like shitty TERFs, and crazy Fundamentalists that not only believe magic is real, but also Sinful, would protest the books in that way for such completely different reasons.
The person posting said something about “hurr durr mah both sides,” some people corrected them that I wasn’t saying they were the same, just that it was bizarre that they agree on something at all, much less that… and then the mod removed my comment (I believe the same that wrote the comment responding to mine).
So… sometimes mods here can show poor reading comprehension and remove things for no reason as well.
I get posts removed now and again. Just arbitrarily. The big subs are not too bad, but smaller ones are often vanity projects.
I was banned once for saying “there are only two sexes”
Probably because that’s an incendiary pseudo-argument often used by bigots to deny someone’s gender identity.
It’s reality. Men who want to be like women, and vice versa, are finding out the hard way.
I’d rather be called a bigot than denying reality to satisfy the desires of fetishists online and the medical industry.
Imo, the biggest tragedy are all the kids that get groomed into undergoing “treatment” for gender dysphoria. Like puberty blockers and even surgery.
You are being a bigot BY denying the parts of reality that don’t fit your narrow and factually inaccurate worldview.
You are accusing me of being biased, meanwhile these articles are extremely biased.
I already elaborated on this in previous posts, but the gist of it is that you cannot build a society with all its various systems without having a practical conceptualization of what humans are. This is why your idea of gender-nonbinary, which is impractical to accept wholesale, will never go beyond the bedroom, niche parts of the medical industry, and maybe some transtoilets here and there. 99% of the world will still run based on the concept of two sexes, because it aligns better with reality, because it’s what’s practical.
In times of prosperity, you can afford to play around with these ideologies (at the expense of some boys and girls), but once that prosperity ends due to war or similarly unfortunate events, all these ideas go out the window!
You are accusing me of being biased, meanwhile these articles are extremely biased.
A bias in favor of scientifically accurate reality isn’t a bad thing. Bigotry is.
the gist of it is that you cannot build a society with all its various systems without having a practical conceptualization of what humans are. This is why your idea of gender-nonbinary, which is impractical to accept wholesale, will never go beyond the bedroom, niche parts of the medical industry, and maybe some transtoilets here and there. 99% of the world will still run based on the concept of two sexes, because it aligns better with reality, because it’s what’s practical.
Absolute nonsense from start to finish.
Just because you’re used to things working a certain way doesn’t mean that it has to be that way. Similar arguments have been used against things like abolishing slavery, women entering the workforce and the concept of secular education.
Turns out that those things ENRICH society rather than break it. Just like allowing people the gender identity that feels natural to them and respecting that reality.
In times of prosperity, you can afford to play around with these ideologies (at the expense of some boys and girls), but once that prosperity ends due to war or similarly unfortunate events, all these ideas go out the window!
Again, same old “society can only work if we don’t change it to be more open towards people different from me” bigoted bullshit that has been spouted since marginalized people first started getting any rights.
Just because you’re used to things working a certain way doesn’t mean that it has to be that way.
True.
Similar arguments have been used against things like abolishing slavery, women entering the workforce and the concept of secular education.
Slavery as it existed in the 1700s wasn’t abolished because the rulers had an epiphany and realized the errors of their ways. It was (mostly, not entirely) abolished for practical reasons. Institutionalized slavery still exists. You have prison labor in countries like the US. We also see outsourced slavery to more degenerate countries like China, where they do have actual slaves or laborers who are slaves in every way but name. Have you ever heard of slave free cotton, or slave free cocoa? These words exist because slavery is not gone. Companies and us consumers around the world are indirectly benefiting from slave labor till this day. I have to look long and hard to find stuff that are more ethically produced, you should know that it’s hard. We also see sex slavery, which intersects with the porn industry. Some of the women in porn could be trafficking victims. I wonder if liberals who goon to porn understand that.
Women working corporate jobs has brought a lot of economical advantages, no doubt. They pay taxes, they increase productivity, they saturate the job market, etc. But it came at the expense of the family unit, and birth-rates. You have a rising percentage of older people needing care, and a less percentage of younger people to care for and replace them. This is one reason why many western countries are inviting immigrants, to keep things sustainable. But for how long?
Women working is not a new phenomena. Child-rearing, taking care of the husband, taking care of the home, and doing everything a housewife does is a full-time job. It’s an honorable job. You seem to have no issue with a woman being obedient to a boss in a corporation, and keeping a smile at all times lest she gets fired. But if it’s her husband that she obeys, you suddenly get your panties in a twist.
Just like allowing people the gender identity that feels natural to them and respecting that reality.
It’s so natural in fact, that we have an unprecedented number of “trans-youths”. I wonder why. Maybe previous generations were just too scared to get out of the closet. Or maybe, it is because young boys and girls are being indoctrinated.
Again, same old “society can only work if we don’t change it to be more open towards people different from me” bigoted bullshit that has been spouted since marginalized people first started getting any rights.
Go and tell that to Ukraine.
Deserved lol
Lol it’s going to be way worse here
It already is
If somebody ever makes a wojack for me, I will know I have completely failed as an individual and as an icon for whatever I’m doing
This happened to me.
On the “Mario Kart Tour” sub, I made a meme during the games “Election” event. I made vague but obvious comparisons to Trump/Mario Vs Biden/Luigi.
Everyone in the comments were having fun, there was no complaining, and the post even reached the homepage.
Then the fucking mods deleted my shit and pissed the community off. I got universal support and the sub was filled with posts requesting the mods to undelete my meme.
In the end, the mods were cunts.
Fucking clowns.
Yeah, I’m seeing a few mods trickle in here who are trying to say otherwise, but reddit mods are 95% shit all around.
this guy looks surprisingly like alex jones
Mod on lemmy, mod on reddit…
