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It would be the ultimate irony if this article was, itself, generated by AI. Based on the article’s “voice”, I doubt it is, but in this brave new world…one must always wonder.
An AI writing about why it sucks? How human.
Heres another layer; AI arguing about whether an AI written article is misinformation.
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Capitalism* ftfy
It’s not “ai”…it’s just a few billionaire assholes.
& it’s not just the internet. It’s the entire “reality”.
So are all the humans.
Hot take
The internet was already ruined. It’s no longer the same place it was in 2016 or 2010 or 2000. It’s become a corporate hellhole where you can’t get away from tracking, monitoring and other shady practices no matter what you do. Almost nothing is free and open and everything is designed to milk as much money out of the product.
AI is just accelerating this. Makes me think of the “old net” in Cyberpunk2077. Infested with rouge AI that have turned it into a battleground.
So its just like real life
2000 or 2010 maybe (too young to know) but I’m not sure I see any difference between now and 2016. The only major new thing I can think of is tiktok but it didn’t ruin the internet.
It’s just the normal capitalist cycle.
- New thing invented
- Golden age of thing
- Corporations figure out how to engineer thing for maximum profit
- Thing sucks
Lukewarm counter-take: That non-commercial internet is still out there.
As long as there’s nerds, there’s going to be nerds building stuff for the fun of it. Building your Lemmys, your Fediverses, your Geminis etc…
There is definitely more legislation now, dissuading some percentage of nerds, but we also have a lot more nerds…
Even the non-commercial spaces are commercial. I’ve seen a bunch of thing disguised ads on here already. The fediverse is no different than the rest of the net. The big corps are still monitoring everything.
Every “nerd” I meet now wants out asap. The only ones who don’t seem to be pushing blockchain or AI. The tech sphere I loved is well and truly gone. The people are so profit driven nothing else can matter.
Even places like lemmy or mastodon aren’t safe anymore. Everything that is public can be, and is, data mined by some corporation. There will be bot accounts or paid people pushing their agenda. And several other things.
It’s not a technical problem. We can have places that are better than the average, but the corporations will still put their tentacles in.
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Nice! Took me to a site full of movie themes in midi format👌🏻
I got a Columbine fansite :/
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This just makes me feel good
Even if AI isn’t further “abused” in similar ways to those described in the article, it’s going to ruin the Internet anyway. There’s very little motive to publish a web page when some robot is going to copy its content and regurgitate a bastardized version of it to someone who’d otherwise have used a search engine to find it.
What’s left of the web are inevitably going to be marketers trying to game the results (think thousands of websites claiming Acme Widgets are the best, now that there’s actually an incentive to do so because while no human would read such sites, bots have no such qualms) and the occasional ecommerce website. Maybe some social media. And the rest will be a paper thin construction resembling the pre-2000 Internet built by the same types of people who built Lemmy and Mastodon - missing search engines and public visibility because nobody wants their system to be eaten by the LLMs. Such constructions will never attract the large audiences, those audiences happy to have every question solved by asking a computer programmer designed to produce things that look like answers. And, in the unlikely event they do, they’ll get the unwanted visibility that results in them being sucked into the LLM databases.
It was a nice run, but I’m not seeing a happy outcome. We started this all, the public bit, the bit with hypertext and images and so on, in the early 1990s, and by the mid-2000s created something truly great. The LG Prada clones (iPhone and Android) seemed to take us in the wrong direction, as did social media, but I never expected something to happen so fundamentally dumb and damaging to the Internet, as this.
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What’s interesting is this is also kind of a circle of tech moment too. At least for me, search has been sort of killed (or google search anyway), but it’s just back to the Internet of 1997 again, where we have “sort of useful” “search engines”, some walled gardens like AOL was, and maybe webrings or the original sort of Yahoo! curated link / subject sites / lists.
I feel like with “cheap” AI we’re entering a dark age of tech.
Eventually everything will, the tools and the tech will get more mature and sort itself out but for a couple of months/years we will be confronted with bad AI news , bad AI games, bad AI art, etc
I’m pretty confident a day will come were AI will be seen as a tool and that pure AI generated content will be seen the equivalent of a bad JavaScript game or a cheap knock clone.
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What did zoom change? Other than their workers being forced back to offices
Everything that is exposed to consumer information will be this way soon. It’s an eventuality at this point, not a maybe.
Only thing I heard about zoom is their back to office?
They changed their TOS to allow themselves to license everyone’s videos for A.I. training (or anything else). One of the execs tried to say they weren’t doing that but unless they change their TOS, they can and no doubt will.
For some people, that’s a personal privacy issue but for people who have Zoom calls about, for instance, health records, it makes Zoom illegal. And even if it’s not illegal, companies use video calls for discussing proprietary information they don’t want to be potentially licensed to competitors.
Apparently they did:
As of Monday afternoon, [section 10.4] has a new paragraph in bold below it: "Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent.”
How exactly they obtain customer “consent” isn’t disclosed.
I’m not so worried about Zoom adding fancy autocomplete (“training our models”) as I am with them licensing it out. This is what section 10.4 says before the caveat:
You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to redistribute, publish, import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use, display, copy, distribute, translate, transcribe, create derivative works, and process Customer Content and to perform all acts with respect to the Customer Content, including AI and ML training and testing.
I don’t think that extra caveat even addresses licensing meeting content to third parties for training A.I.
A bit later in the article also addresses this:
That consent, [Zoom Chief Product Officer Smita] Hashim closed, still won’t allow third parties to train an AI off your calls: “And even if you chose to share your data, it will not be used for training of any third-party models.”
However, glancing through the ToS I don’t see where Zoom prohibits third-party AI training, only prohibiting training their own models. On the other hand, data for training LLMs is apparently the modern gold-rush and it’s feasible that Zoom wouldn’t want that data to be accessed by any potential competitors.
you agreed to the TOS, therefore they have your consent.
Wow, wtf…it seems like every big tech company is going through “enshittification”. Is there an open-source alternative for Zoom that is hopefully more privacy-focused?
There’s element call as well. (https://call.element.io)
I haven’t used it but the !selfhosted community has mentioned Jitsy Meet before.
Just discovered it too from !privacy. Reading about it now, it’s FOSS which is always good. Here’s the link: https://meet.jit.si/
Holy shit how did I not hear about this but the back to the office thing was everywhere? Fuck that, no. No that is not ok. Fuck. FUCK why is everything going to this shit?
Does software exists that encrypts video and audio data on one end, and requires a key to decrypt on the other end? Anyone looking at the feed without keys would be seeing garbage.
Zoom and MS Teams both seem to have E2E encryption for 1-on-1 calls. They own the code, tho, so whether they really cannot decrypt the stuff is a matter of trust.
Yes, E2EE video call software exists, but then you’d be using something other than Zoom.
Theoretically you could have everyone in a call use a plugin that “added” E2EE to Zoom, but I’m not certain such a plugin exists - and even if it did, ensuring everyone you communicate with Zoom uses it would be enough of a barrier that it’d be simpler to just use something other than Zoom that has E2EE baked in.
Zoom already does 256bit AES end-to-end encryption. From what I understand it isn’t the live calls but the files and recorded calls you save on their servers after are what they would use for AI training.
Zoom already updated their TOS a few hours ago to supposedly address the issue. https://gizmodo.com/zoom-ai-privacy-policy-train-on-your-data-1850712655
Update, August 7, 5:06 p.m.: After this story was published, Zoom issued an update to its Terms of Service. The article has been updated to reflect the change.
I’m not sure about the technicals, but there are some services that are HIPAA compliant, which I assume means something similar to the end-to-end encryption you’re describing. WebeX is the one I know one of my local hospital systems uses.
Yes. End to end encryption between two parties is pretty trivial to implement. Video and audio is no exception.
Oh,forgot to mention there is support for sharing screen and separate window on desktop. Unsure about mobile clients.
They also gave an opt-in to allow all your data to be used to train AI models. You auto opt-in if you use any of their AI assisted services
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This stuff is only economical at scale, it makes no sense to set up an AI spambot farm on startrek.website because you’ll just get banned and you’ll have to do all the ban evasion stuff you have to do on, say, Facebook but for a site with a hundredth of the daily active users
For now.
Right now, there can be value in using a bot net to create 10000 AI driven bots that look like humans but have a coordinated agenda on Reddit. As that value drops, I expect that smaller and smaller forums will get inundated with these bot networks.
Ha! Joke‘s on them, the Intenet is already runied.
Just as bad, if not worse, than the blockchain craze that came before it.
This is worse. Blockchains didn’t do anything except extract money from suckers, which is bad but has a very limited impact. There were no valid applications, nothing they could do cheaper or better, so they just existed in their own separate world of scammers and grifters. AI is appropriating people’s work to shit up the internet we all use with nonsense and will continue to be used because it has valid applications: creating bad art or vapid text without having to pay anyone.
Blockchains didn’t do anything except extract money from suckers
And consume more energy than Egypt. And drive GPU prices through the roof for a couple of years.
capitalism and the rich** ftfy just like they’re destroying the earth and space
The rich aren’t making spam websites full of bot-generated content. Neither is capitalism, or communism or socialism.
What do you think is the purpose of bot-generated content?
That’s a bingo!
To get clicks from people searching up things and happening to land on their page, who then read a little bit and see ads before leaving.
Capitalism ⬆️
