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You know there is something wrong in an individual when said individual resorts to emotion/“imjusthumantism” and other type of fallacies to answer facts and logic.
I think there are a few instances where mentioning your own inability or failures are ok. One would be where it’s qualified with like, appropriate measures to ensure it doesn’t happen again.
Like if I say I’m flawed and not perfect, it makes sense to think something like this might happen again and hey here are the mechanisms or things in place to ensure my non-perfectness can be addressed and mitigated so as to cause the least amount of harm for others (at my own expense).
Of course this is not at all what was done or what tends to be done :/
All the whiny complainers are responsible for this sad state of affairs. This is what happens when communist ideology subverts a culture.
Move out of your mom’s basement you loser
Did you comment in the right thread?
What? Lol.
your brain rot is showing, how embarrassing
Gods I miss the years when trolls tried. Used to be an artform. Now every Tom, Dick and Numbnuts thinks being a contrarian idiot is enough to get the job done.
It’s sad, really. Even worse is that we dignify the morons simply hurling shit by calling them trolls. Even worse is that many can’t even restrain themselves not feeding them.
there used to be a sense of pride in a good troll. i long for those days
Did you forget you’re not commenting on Youtube?
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What an ironic username.
NewsMax and OAN is that way
points in the general area of….anywhere else
Call me a fanboy but this is not the worst response.
A few things that still annoy me ofc:
- Madison’s concerns were not addressed (she JUST wrote it, so fair enough, but that shit needs to be addressed)
- everything sounds a bit scripted. Shit, just let them say what concerns them and the specifics of what they actually wanna address. Like give examples, so we know that you guys get it.
- Linus blaming others sticks out. I wanna give him the benefit of the doubt and say he’s doing it unconsciously but it really bothers me and I hope it’s just truckloads of stress that he’ll be able to work through. This is not meant as an insult, but it sounds to me he should get a therapist to talk himself through the feelings. It helped me, and I can smell the pent up emotions through the screen.
It’s not perfect, but it’s a start. Let’s see what comes in response in the next while.
Also whoever hurt, degraded and ruined Madison’s mental health fuck you. I know it won’t happen, but if you read this Madison, what you went through was wrong and unfair and fuck everyone who hurt you, you did the right thing and now that you’re gone, life will improve. If you got through your worst nightmare, you will easily get through the next weeks.
… a bit scripted? They were clearly, mechanically, reading from a teleprompter. Your high school “newscasters” are less obvious
For the scripting, that honestly makes sense for it to be scripted. You can proof and clear what is said beforehand instead of in post w/ retakes. Im not really invested in all this but it does make sense to me.
Artesian Builds walked so that LTT could run. Straight into oncoming traffic.
This situation sucks and was something I would have been willing to see through. But after reading the thread from Madison this morning I’ve decided to cancel my Floatplane subscription. While the accusations she makes are currently accusations, they’re pretty damning and worth taking seriously in case they are more than allegations. I await LMG’s response to her thread, as I feel that will be the deciding factor in whether or not I continue to consume and support anything LMG does going forward.
Her thread: https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691693740254228741
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So you would create in 3-4 days, the co tent she has to create each days…
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Gonna pop the ThreadReader link here for those who don’t want to log into Twitter: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1691693740254228741.html
On the Floatplane thing, I am a bit worried for DankPods, who put a lot of backing into Floatplane after he got screwed over by Twitch. This whole thing might have some collateral damage towards the other creators on there, including him. Was considering subscribing to Floatplane for him and his drum streams before this.
Maybe Dankpods can get into the Nebula sphere instead.
Ha, Nebula is not the answer, either. It’s a gated community that doesn’t even have a way to sign up as an uploader. They expect you to make it on YouTube first before they consider moving to their network, and then you’re doomed to constantly advertise for Nebula for the rest of your career.
DankPods is the only reason why I’d consider using Floatplane, but I’ve already been a Patron of his for a long time and could just up my tier sub if I wanted to support him more, which I may do if this effects his streams.
Ah shit, I forgot how much dank went in on floatplane
I may not agree with a lot of things Madison does as a content creator, but what she’s described in that thread is absolutely egregious. This goes so far beyond “trust me bro”, and is already bathing in the gas that the company is actively lighting under them. Makes me wonder what kind of NDA and contract all of them have, to keep it hush-hush. I’m worried for the people there
what she’s described in that thread is absolutely egregious
*If true and complete.
None of us were there, none of us know what happened, none of us knows the context of anything discussed. There’s a universe where everything she described is misinterpreted banter and she’s just an overly sensitive whiny zoomer. There’s also a universe where everything she described is an understatement to the unfathomable conditions she may have been subjected to, and Linus is a prototypical millennial edgelord piece of shit who can’t read a room, and gets off on belittling those under his domain.
It’s important, I think, to not be impulsively reactionary towards individual accusations. Doing so disincentives discourse and transparency. I’m going to let this play out for a bit before I make any decisions with my wallet. If Madison deserves the benefit of the doubt, so does LMG.
Thank you for this, I don’t normally use twitter but I read some people saying the Threadreader app wasn’t up to date with all the comments.
You can hear James’ voice in some of the more heinous quotes :(
A former employee shitting on their employer during a scandal to draw media attention has been the oldest trick in the book. If more stories come forward or others corroborate the individual claims, it’s worth notice. Until then, all I see is someone who took a high pressure job, couldn’t hack it, and now they’re trying to cash in on the negative experience for media attention.
One party versions are always … tricky. If this was the case then people that support her need to step up and talk. It is hard to belive a company with such ethics also had good enough enviroment for a colleague to transition and publicly anounce it to the world. Something is off…
Exactly. Something doesn’t smell right. If she wants to corroborate her story, she can start by showing her ER report for the supposed incident where she self-harmed to get out of work. That would be an easy paper trail to share and since she’s already disclosed that information, she wouldn’t be giving anything else up.
Words themselves have no value in these instances.
Exactly this ^
Until there’s actual evidence put forward (and not just her word), I’ll happily defer pulling out the guillotine and grabbing my pitch fork.
I get the community as a whole is rightfully shitty with how LMG has handled themselves over the last week, but I’m certainly not taking her accusations alone at face value, regardless of how abhorrent they are
Absolutely, the criticism from gamers Nexus was fair and earned by LMG, but these allegations are not only completely separate from the issue with quality, they’re completely unsubstantiated. Should she start corroborating her story with things like the ER report from her reported incident of self-harm, or other employees confirm her story and are willing to state that they actually witness these accusations, that would be another story.
PR damage control
This video is odd to me. The thumbnail of the video is of Linus but you don’t see him in the video until almost the end. Even though technically Linus is no longer the CEO of the company the responsibility still falls on him because bulk of the controversy was created by his terrible response post on their forum. Also the tone of this video is very off putting. The awkward half joking “we’re human so feel bad for us” tone by whole bunch people other than Linus feels evasive. I think LMG is treating this as a PR problem but clearly it’s a serious systemic internal problem and I don’t see how the company culture can be changed when Linus is still very hands on. Maybe I’m being cynical here but it feels like they’ll just go back to business as usual after this blows over in a week.
They have said there will be a third party audit/inspection of which the results will be published. I am a little hopeful, though remain skeptical.
Also the allegations didn’t squarely fall on Linus (though I guess the end-responsibility does lie with him). After his blow-up post on the forums I don’t have faith he by himself will correct the ship. In that regard I’m also a little hopeful about their new CEO.
The “haha, we’ve made an oopsie” tone of the video (sponsorship jokes, plugging their store link, possible sex joke, deflecting to “I’m just a human” instead of fully taking the blame) don’t sit right with me. I was also hoping they would address Madison’s comments on why she quit.
To quote poetry:
Uwu We made a fucky wucky!!
A wittle fucko boingo!
The code monkeys at our headquarters are working VEWY HAWD to fix this!
I think Madison’s post happened after the video itself was planned, recorded, etc, so it’s understandable why that’s not addressed. But Linus really has to address what she’s said on the forums ASAP at least, because there’s a lot of damning claims towards his company from her. Like seriously, wtf Linus?
Given his responses so far, he’s probably just going to dig his hole even further.
Also, they should stop deleting all mentionings of the Madison thing on the apology video as they doing are now, makes it all seem very disingenuous and fake.
It should be it’s own topic of discussion. It makes sense why they’re trying to control the comments on that video specifically.
Can confirm. They appear to be doing it manually, so lots are still up (for now), but entire threads are being disappeared.
I really want to make a joke about how they could have added an annotation on the video to address it and how it would have taken “$500 of people’s time” but her post was super gross (about the company, not her) and that’s more of a poison pill for a company than the sloppiness IMHO.
I don’t watch LMG content and I have intention of starting to so I don’t have a dog in this fight but I always thought of LMG as “decent content but too over the top and silly for me”, the “decent content” part is in question now and the workplace allegations leave a bad taste in my mouth for sure.
I thought this video was very well done aside from:
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“I don’t agree with ALL the criticisms” - ok, then expand on that
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Store plug - read the room, I thought the sponsor joke was ok but then they did it twice and plugged the store.
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“6 9’s” - didn’t we just talk about filtering for sexual innuendos? Look I don’t give a fuck but, again, read the room
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Linus’ whole section - it really felt genuine then he came on and came off as a petulant child
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Sex joke?
Yeah I get the various other critiques others have for this video but complaining about the “potential sex jokes” is a stretch.
“6 9s”
Thats not a sex joke, that’s just a server uptime thing
🙄 I want you to tell me with a straight face that you honestly believe someone could say something like “six nines…” whilst simultaneously quirking their eyebrow and striking a dual fingerguns pose without an implied double meaning…
For Pete’s sake, the editor even inserted a zoom cut and delayed the next shot transition for comedic effect!
Worth noting that the “69… Nice” joke is not just a universal meme, but also specially part of LTT in-jokes. So it’s very much in character for Linus or others at LMG to say something like that, but I am honestly disappointed that it came from Luke.
Agreed
Well they made the smartest possible decision in letting us hear from the other humans at LMG. The last thing they needed was another smug non apology rant from Linus himself. These folks seem like actual humans, and they made some very frank admissions of error.
Of course, Linus has to come in at the end and minimize, deflect, and ultimately fail to show an ounce of real contrition, learning, and growth. I feel the most pity for him in this because he’s clearly trapped in his deficient little mind, unable to grow through a major challenge like this. He’s passed beyond his ability to just rant back, but he doesn’t have any other pages in his playbook. The best he can do is rely on the adults around him. I hope he does more of that.
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He recognized that he was getting emotional again but didn’t recognize that it called for another take and maybe some more thought about it all before that take started.
This video confirms what I’ve thought for a long time. The biggest problem with Linus Tech Tips is Linus.
And the fact that the video even declares that it took Yvonne to put her foot down before any changes could take place confirms that LTT has a cult of personality that is damaging the brand and the team. And keeping Linus as a CVO isn’t going to change that.
And of course, Madison’s accusations bring a whole new layer to the drama. A layer that should have been more obvious to me given that the only woman on that video was Linus’ wife.
Also, anyone else find it funny that Gary Key made yet another mistake in this video - that Linus was the one that talked about testing every video - and not Gary’s own fucking team member? Also his little “I dont agree with EVERY criticism” was a bit too petulant and defensive for this video. Come on…
And of course, Madison’s accusations bring a whole new layer to the drama.
Honestly, I couldn’t quite simpatize with her. She complains they were giving her too much to do? Apparently rest of the team also had a lot on their plate as well and most of them are still in the company. Now they even have a team to do her job (according to her), so my guess is that if she waited for it she would have help coming (in a company like that, hiring isn’t quite easy for sure). I feel like they tried to create an environment where they are like friends joking around and she didn’t take the hint and now she’s taking any chance of using the LTT brand for her own benefit. This being said, there’s a lot of hints of the company not being very friendly towards their workers. My guess is that Linus is the owner and works like one, and wants everyone else to work as much as him.
It’s quite clear that Linus is way over his head on this, he himself admitted it multiple times, specially with him bringing someone else to be the CEO of the company.
and now she’s taking any chance of using the LTT brand for her own benefit
Serious question: how does she stand to benefit from the action she’s taken? Some other employer will take pity on her and hire her? Internet karma? I don’t immediately see a win in this for her.
Honestly, I couldn’t quite sympathize with her.
Why not?
She complains they were giving her too much to do? Apparently rest of the team also had a lot on their plate as well and most of them are still in the company.
What does that have to do with sympathizing with her?
No sympathy for Chanie Wenjack because lots of his classmates managed to graduate?
Honestly, I couldn’t quite simpatize with her. She complains they were giving her too much to do?
Unless you fully understand the effort involved in her reported daily and weekly quotas, you aren’t qualified to make an opinion on them. But what might make more sense to you is that LTT currently has a full team dedicated to what she was expected to do by herself.
The biggest issue for me was her reports of a toxic work environment. When she would bring up concerns about her workload, they’d respond by insulting her and threatening her job. She even saw an instance where a coworker felt she was sexually harassed and Linus yelled at and berated her for being an idiot.
My guess is that Linus is the owner and works like one, and wants everyone else to work as much as him.
This is exactly the kind of boss that creates a toxic work environment. A good boss should be respectful of each employee’s strengths and limitations and foster an environment where everyone can contribute meaningfully without feeling unduely overburdened.
A good boss encourages a healthy work/life balance.
Yes, Linus is a workaholic. His work ethic is unhealthy. He has publicly acknowledged this on WAN show numerous times. If he expects his employees to work as hard as he does, then he is knowingly fostering an unhealthy work environment.
Excellent analysis!
Linus ego and “I can do no wrong” attitude consistently adds fuel to the flame.
Any brave soul willing to recap the whole story in few line?? How exactly did they screw up so much they neet to post this apology/non-apology video??
Seems like kind of a straw that broke the camel’s back situation.
A company sent them a one-of-a-kind prototype cooling device and the video card it was designed for to have it reviewed or whatever. The reviewer misplaced the GPU but was under deadline to produce their video, so they used a different video card, and the cooler (as should be expected) didn’t function well, but they posted the negative review anyway. After the fuckup was pointed out, they put a very easy to miss “correction” on the video. People caught on that this happens alot, and started to question the value of the content, given so many mistakes and easily missed corrections. This also extended to people questioning the bias of their reviews on products related to companies they have partnerships with or competing brands.
Additionally, despite being asked to return the device and agreeing to do so, they later sold it at a charity auction. This measurably harmed the creator and it is unknown who purchased it (people speculate it was a competitor), apparently some compensation was worked out however.
Last I’ve seen, the former social media manager posted a pretty scathing recounting of time at the company. It included alot of events that indicate this was a predatory and hostile work environment, including sexual harassment.
Thank you and… WoW!
This measurably harmed the creator and it is unknown who purchased it (people speculate it was a competitor), apparently some compensation was worked out however.
Last I heard from Billet via GN was that they didn’t get the offer regarding compensation until the same time Linus posted his first written response, so way late. At that point they hadn’t agreed to anything. So a play of semantics for Linus?
Some small corrections here (as I understand them):
In the video, they actually mentioned that Billet’s device was intended for a 3090, but “they (Billet Labs) think it should work with a 4090 too.” Unsure if anyone from Billet ever commented on that, but that seemed to be LMG’s understanding.
Additionally, the device was sent to LMG without an expectation of return. They asked for it back after the poor review, but when it was originally sent over, there were no strings attached.
They did find who the device was sold to, and it was just a random person at LTX (LMG’s tech expo), not a competitor. Sounds like they auctioned off a lot of random stuff from videos there, and it was likely mismanagement rather than malice that caused them to sell it.
The Madison situation is obviously shitty, but I think there’s a big distinction between her experiences involving sexual harassment and the “grind mindset” culture that LMG seems to have. Both are problems, but one is obviously larger than the other. I believe the new CEO stated they’re going to bring in external investigators regarding the sexual harassment claims.
When it comes to them rushing things to keep up an unreasonable video schedule, I think that’s a valid criticism, but in no way do I feel like it’s some kind of line in the sand that can’t ever be forgiven. I also think that GN probably should have asked for comment before releasing this kind of criticism against arguably their largest competitor.
Billet Labs sent them a 3090ti to test with and LMG lost it before they filmed the review. They comment on the GPU being wrong in the video. .
BL also commented on the video explaining why it would perform poorly with the 4090.
Someone at LMG agreed to send it back before they sold it at auction. Then that didn’t happen and there was no apology or attempt to make it right until the GN video came out.
They always knew it was being tested wrong.
I also think that GN probably should have asked for comment before releasing this kind of criticism against arguably their largest competitor.
Not defending LMG’s mistakes, but GN’s opinion that you should not ask for comment doesn’t hold water.
GN definitely has an agenda here. He made several comments that made it quite clear he’s resentful of LTT’s success.
While I don’t think anything he reported is false, it’s all wrapped in a narrative that relies on implications. He certainly makes a whole lot of hay about a few small mistakes and heavily implies LTT is in the pockets of their sponsors and a conspiracy theory that LTT is only successful because of some connections and preferred treatment by YouTube.
He’s very much trying to establish a narrative that LMG is wildly corrupt and undeserving of their success. However, a lot of it comes across as sour grapes.
This doesn’t completely match what GN reported or what GN said Billet told them.
In the video, they actually mentioned that Billet’s device was intended for a 3090, but “they (Billet Labs) think it should work with a 4090 too.”
According GN Billet said that they told ltt that it might work for the other card but that it wasn’t tested.
Additionally, the device was sent to LMG without an expectation of return. They asked for it back after the poor review, but when it was originally sent over, there were no strings attached.
This I haven’t heard before but I do find that highly unlikely. Most companies aren’t willing to permanently part with a prototype considering how expensive they tend to be, trade secrets and the low number they have. Billet labs are apparently a two person start up making it even more unlikely.
and it was likely mismanagement rather than malice that caused them to sell it.
I don’t think personally that it was a question of malice as such but most of the criticism from GN was based on LTT being mismanaged where speed was more important than being correct. So still not a good look for them.
I also think that GN probably should have asked for comment before releasing this kind of criticism against arguably their largest competitor.
GN responded to this in a follow-up. I think they said something along the lines that they don’t do it for other companies either. I’m personally a bit divided. Most of the information presented was factual and not of the nature “he said she said” with the exception of the Billet question. The size difference (especially when in similar scenes) could also be seen as a reason not to reach out so that the story isn’t buried by the larger companies reach and resources.
Important considerations, especially considering Linus first response where I felt he played around with semantics a lot. What I like about GN is that they always seem to back things up with references.
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Just the tip(s)?
Things are not looking good for linus, especially now that an ex-employee is making accusations about terrible working conditions, sexisim, and harassment of all types…
More juicy nerd drama. Lemme grab my popcorn.
You mean Lemmy
Hi spez
Too late. Don’t care.
I’ve already unsubscribed.You should care, it reaffirms all reasons to unsub.
same here. Unsubbed from all of their channels. Now I just watch the spectacle from a distance. LMG is dead to me.
