The DM was a DM asking us to change our no tankies policy and remove the fuck tankies banner as it was apparently upsetting hexbear users. Apparently tankies view the word tankie as a form of slur. The admin wants us to ally as a form of “left solidarity”
Are Cuba and Vietnam considered good or bad? Nicaragua? How about the new coup leaders in Burkina Faso, Mali, and Niger? Any successful revolution has demonstrated the necessity of authority, to enforce an ideological will on society and stop the bourgeois class from re-appearing requires authority. Any revolution with be authoritarian, even and especially if it is the oppressed overthrowing the oppressor.
Sure, say you don’t like China, the Soviet Union, or the DPRK for your own reasons, but why use a term that encompasses any successful revolution, as even the CNT-FAI was finding a need for things like secret police during the awful times of a revolution.
You should maintain your site culture, but there’s a reason anti-communists and fascists use the term tankie as well, it’s imprecise and volatile.
Edit: I apologize if this is not a post meant to invite discussion, I just don’t see this perspective shared very often in these conversations.
Look I am sure many of those places have done great things, like China’s recent wage cuts for rich bankers and pay rises for those lower on the totem pole, a good thing give credit where credit is due. But. How can you possibly remove the Bourgeois then place yourself at the top of the totem pole and not think of yourself as the new Bourgeoisie?
Yes every violent revolution is going to be authoritarian because you have lined people against the wall and you are not going to get every dissenter in the first round and unsurprisingly they are going to be pissed. So now you have a violent government and and a violent opposition, not exactly fun times for everyone stuck in the middle, Which once that happens is not just the liberals as many hexbears use as an insult for everyone not Auth-Left but basically the whole political spectrum that aren’t on the far ends.
A benevolent dictatorship is going to be the absolute best form of government you could possibly ever have but. You are never going to have one. The people at the top want to be at the top, and the people who want to be at the top are always going to be bastards.
You think that Authoritarianism is needed to keep the revolution going. Definitely correct if you do it through a coup. I don’t want to be under a nation that will silence me or worse because I criticise them. You can call that counter-revolutionary if you like but I would rather have incremental improvements where things get better slowly than everything is worse now and you just got to believe that things will get better, and our leaders plans will all just work out.
Tankie is a slur against Auth-Left. If you are Auth-Left well that’s the slur people who don’t like you are going to use.
To pivot on what this original post was likely created for (admittedly in a pretty bad way). Hexbear is full of some really crazy people who have very strong opinions and shout memes that make sense in Hexbear but don’t really out of it. 90% of Hexbears just seem so unhinged. If I see someone from Hexbear it makes me skittish to actually start a discussion with that person as there is a high chance they are just going to be hostile.
Yeah, definitely not. “Tankie” isn’t some mostly meaningless word like “woke”, it’s a very specific belief in authoritarian self-declared, so-called “communist” states (USSR, China, North Korea, et al).
They claim to be for revolution and then turn around and give 100% blind obedience to the newly installed leaders. Pointing out their immense power or bad actions gets you called brainwashed, a reactionary, or counter-revolutionary. They win gold in mental gymnastics in regards to how the new ruling class totally doesn’t count as a ruling class, how the state doesn’t count as a state, how the money doesn’t count as money, and how it’s still communism even though not a single one of those prerequisites has ever been met.
They don’t take down systems of oppression, they replace them and refuse to believe it isn’t the greatest idea anyone’s ever had. Here’s a hint: if your “revolutionary” party demands absolute loyalty, they probably aren’t as great as they say.
Tankies mad they’re being called tankies?
Drawing a comparison to the use of “woke” is fucking hilarious. Only one of those terms is actually an insult, and the insinuation that both of those terms are the same says a lot about their perspective.
I think all instances should block the tankies treat them the same as you would alt right because really there no different they both support facist ideologies
you’re right, the people who built auschwitz and the people who liberated it are exactly the same.
a fine example of horseshoe theory
Stalin killed jews as well stop acting like Stalin is some champion of the people he’s just as much a monster as Hitler
Honestly I agree. Fuck fascists.
I think if a person feels offended by a generic “fuck tankies” in the banner, then that person is probably a tankie. Fuck tankies.
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I spread the word on any instance having a discussion about it. lemm.ee currently has a post up about federating with Hexbear.
The word is “fuck tankies with a rake.” If they do end up federated with Hexbear, I would consider defederating from lemm.ee. But, that’s just my personal take. Blahaj isn’t my home instance.Lemm.ee is federated to everyone by default.
The thread is about discussing if we should defederate.
In general the admin is very anti defederation unless absolutely necessary, so I don’t believe it will happen.
some people want to post here but are repelled by “fuck tankies?”
good.
that is the intended functionality of the banner.
Generally speaking, people offended by this are either:
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libs that dont understand the distinction between tankie and communist or have been misinformed by tankies on what its supposed to mean, but are pro communism(wierd combination?)
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the “CCCP did nothing wrong” people
maybe having something leftist in the banner or some place like that could help the former, but I wouldnt remove the message, as it acts as a soft filter for the latter.
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Fuck. Tankies.
but… but… BUT THE NUANCES!! :‘’(
a world without nuance, is a world without meaning for these guys… you know that… c’mon…
Tankies will never be welcome
Moss don’t be leaking DM’s in the future. You need to be tactical to be socially responsible. You could ask us - should we remove the banner? Or make a post saying that it may be upsetting Hexbears. I think the sentiment would have gone absolutely the same without showing your cards.
Yeah I agree. Leaking dms was totally the wrong move
Don’t listen to that dumbass, post whatever you feel like
How about removing my comments criticizing ableism and using ableist language in your modlog response? Was that also a bad move? Or you gonna stick by that one?
Let it rest, we’ve all seen that screenshot a dozen times now. Literally, let Moss rest. Mods are people too.
Let what rest? The fact I have been called a Nazi by this shithead reactionary mod and that hasn’t been resolved?
Nah I tried to play nice but I am taking the gloves off now.
I’d rather you didn’t harass my instance’s moderators. I heard your community is defederating, right? Sounds like the decisions has been made for us already that we can agree to disagree.
Dude can post anything sent to him
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What does vaush have to do with anything
Wtf is going on??
I am confused and out of the loop
Drama drama drama my advice is just skip this one
The fact they feel the phrase fuck tankies is acting as a barrier to their participation in 196 should be a wake up call for them to examine their political views.
Unlike their use of the word liberal, which they use to refer to everyone to the right of them on the political spectrum, we are using the word tankie for a single specific group. Tankie means authoritarian communist. Please keep the sign.
Now personally I think we have the word takie pretty well defined in our rules and have no intention of changing it. Fuck tankies, they don’t belong here.
I didn’t write fuck commies, or fuck [ originally I said libtards here because I couldn’t think of another shorthand insult for generally liberal people. People have since asked me to remove the word, as even though I am using it as an example and not as a slur, it still has the suffix of an ableist slur. I understand, and as you can see have edited the comment accordingly], (I am a vocal socialist and very far left) or anything like that, the banner is specifically about pro-auth dictator-worshipping tankies.Is criticism of the use of that word against 196’s rules? Here are articles from the Chicago Tribune and the Anchorage Press, and a definition from the Cambridge English Dictionary which say:
Taking the R-word and adding “lib” to it doesn’t make it any less offensive. And what bothers me is that those who combine “liberal” with that word are not insulting their intended targets — they’re insulting an entire group of people who have done nothing wrong, all while perpetuating a term that simply needs to go away.
Combining the R-word with liberal makes it no less offensive.
an offensive word used by some people on the extreme right of politics to refer to someone who holds left-wing political beliefs
While I understand that you’re using it ironically, I believe that being critical of the ironic use of offensive language is valid and contributes to discussion. I find it concerning that Nakoichi’s post was removed without any explanation other than calling him, “braindead.”
Being called a liberal is insulting enough. Most liberals will identify as progressives.
Ok yes I’m not calling anyone a liberal though
