It’s starting in Europe as well unfortunately :/
browsing supplements isle at Target. marketing designer gummies
Ah yes, the placebo section. Like magic, the more it costs, the better it works.
actually like one I’ve tried. bought some caps off amazon based on ingredients.
L-theanine and GABA is good for my anxiety. placebo or not. have to read labels/fine print. They are asking about $20/jar at Target
That’s good, it might contribute to why I feel more mentally balanced when I stick to a green tea and high vegetable diet since that’s apparently a rich source of l-theanine and GABA. It’s hard to separate from the other benefits.
I don’t like our culture of having a magic pill for everything, when there are simpler (less processed, less packaging, much cheaper) things to try first that promote better health overall. But green tea, sweet potatoes and oily fish aren’t sexy marketing propositions that can be marked up x percent.
Ensuring the hooiest of has
That’s so much
Don’t take NyQuil for sleep. There’s an increased risk of dementia.
https://www.themedicalcareblog.com/anticholinergic-drugs-and-dementia-risk/
There are also people in the other spectrum where without coffee they become super sleepy/tired, I’m one of them
American here: I don’t have any problems sleeping, nor does my wife typically, and I can’t say that I know of anyone that takes a sleep supplement every single night.
I take meds to help me sleep at night. My crippling ADHD keeps my mind from resting without help. I’m on stimulants, but my last dose is at noon. Any later than that, and they’ll just cancel out my sleeping meds.
I have the opposite issue as I’m unmedicated for my ADHD, I can drink coffee at around noon and it’ll quiet down my brain enough that it can help me sleep
Oh that’s interesting. Coffee doesn’t really wake me up or relax me. I still have like 3 cups a day though lmao
I set an alarm and wake up an hour before I wake up to take my stimulants. I take them then sleep for another hour. That’s the only way they don’t worsen my insomnia. And I’m in the smallest dose and I take it before the sun rises.
I had severe insomnia before I got my stimulants and as long as I keep that very early regimen they don’t worsen my insomnia.
That is a good idea, but I can’t go back to sleep once I’ve woken up on most days because my dogs get way too excited about it being morning and have to play as hard as they can be and harass tf outta me. My goldendoodle puppy gets in my face and licks my nose every morning and demands that I flap her ears around while she does slammy-whammies. My beagle has to get big morning hugs every day, or he’ll just stare at me and yell at an ever-increasing volume.
I take my stimulant in the morning once the dogs have left me alone so I can get ready for the day. My afternoon stimulant is during or right after lunch and is mostly to try to keep the afternoon sleepies at bay. My work tends to slow down in the afternoons, so I get pretty sleepy on a lot of days lol. I took it at 2 pm once and I did not sleep that night. My ADHD is super bad, but I’m sensitive to stimulants. A low dose works incredibly well for me. I’m on other meds that can work as stimulants a bit, so I’m sure they’re giving my ADHD medication a lil boost lol.
Haha I’m the same, severely ADHD but really sensitive to the stimulants. But my metabolism is slow, so it lasts me most of the day when I take it early. And yeah I have cats… I keep my pill in bed, and when I roll over to take it, they literally step all over me on me face and slam their heads into my head hahaha.
Lmao. Cats are so silly.
Hi, I take Ambien nightly, and have for over a decade, now you know someone :).
Same here. According to This article which sources a study by National Center for Health Statistics, less than 2% of Americans use a nightly sleep aid.
A different study by the NCHS reported that 81% of Americans reported “never” using a sleep aid.
Thank you for providing a source!
Anxiety, stress, and modern blueish, bright lighting/screens are a huge part of the problem. Humans didn’t evolve to deal with overstimulation in the evening.
I had insomnia and stress issues for years to the point I had a panic attack – I thought I was having a heart attack or stroke. Dealing with the stress and light were major steps towards resolving the problem.
I cut way back on the news and doomscrolling to no more than an hour a day before noon. I set my house lights to dim down with the sun, and no TV, phone, or computer screens for at least an hour before bed. If it’s unavoidable: dimming them and a blue light filter help.
I don’t think CBD will do anything for their sleep
Cbd is the only thing that puts me to sleep reliably within 15 minutes of taking. I’ve tried melatonin with no effect, i’ve tried some other random stuff, CBD oil just works.
It can have a placebo effect. Like a glass of warm milk.
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How to sleep:
Step 1. No phone/TV/screens in the bedroom
Step 2. No screens 30 min before going to bed
Step 3. Go to bed at the same time each night
Step 4. Set yourself up to actually get enough sleepTry this for 6 weeks and then if you seriously still cant sleep discuss with a doctor.
It seems obvious but also: don’t drink anything with caffeine before bed and don’t eat a good couple of hours before sleep too.
I’ve had many friends who’d have a tea before going to sleep to ‘calm’ them without realising most have quite a lot still. Or guzzling down a soda too.
My mom at 9:30pm having a cup of coffee, complaining that she can’t sleep without her pills.
You shouldn’t have caffeine within 10 hours of sleep actually.
That seems a bit much. Then you shouldn’t have a coffee after 10am. Most people are perfectly fine with having coffee in the afternoon.
It might seem like that but I’ve seen it recommended by doctors more than once. Caffeine stays in our system longer than most expect.
You go to bed at 8pm??
I can’t drink coffee after like 2pm either. Sugar or other carbs before bed can also impact my sleep quality
Same here on the carbs. I notice when I eat after 6pm it’s going to affect me with either a not great sleep and the need for bathroom break(s) through the night. Low intake of sugar throughout the day I sleep much better and more soundly.
When I did Atkins many years ago, it was some of the best sleep I ever had. It was like I was a teenager again that could sleep all day and night.
- Exercise more
- Invest in a decent mattress.
They say that there’s two things you don’t skimp on: shoes, and your bed. You’re gonna spend half of your life in one, and the other half laying on the other.
I bought a nice mattress a couple of years ago during a clearance sale, and I would’ve paid full price for it even now. Best investment I’ve ever made, and I’ve had zero sleep issues since then.
Expand that to: “stuff that keeps you separated from the ground”. Tires fall in that category. If you live where it snows and don’t have good mass transit, get snow tires, and otherwise rotate, inflate and take care of your tires, and they’ll take care of you.
- Lawyer up
How to sleep:
- Go to bed when tired.
- Masturbate.
thing is, this is basically just saying “just sleep bro”, i can’t do any of these things.
if i go without screens i will go mad from boredom, if i go to bed the same time each night i will lie awake in bed until i go mad with boredom or get up because fuck that noise, and what does “set yourself up to get enough sleep” even mean? that’s terribly vague.
i have yet to find anything that lets me get even vaguely consistently good sleep, i’ve tried all the things people say to do and it does NOTHING if it’s even feasible in the first place.
Yeah people giving simplistic life advice generally don’t understand the actual issues because they don’t have the problem, it’s painfully common especially with things like insomnia, anxiety, and similar ‘just don’t worry about things’, ‘have you tried not being depressed and just going out and doing stuff?’, ‘just lay down and wait until you sleep’
I can lay my head on a pillow after a long walk, no screen time and all the other shit they say and still spend the entire night caught in churning and bubbling anxiety that builds and builds until I’m as wired as a crackhead.
I’m not saying don’t try things people suggest but I guess don’t expect them to work and beat yourself up with them. If you can’t find something that works for you then see a doctor about getting sleep drugs, while you meme seems to be pushing the Puritanical idea that anything but a natural life is bad that’s totally stupid and op should be ashamed.
We’re complex biological machines that go wrong in a myriad of ways, it’s perfectly fine to require the addition of outside substances to moderate and control your health - honestly future generations will probably be shocked how few people used sleep aids.
Of course not every drug works the same on everyone and many can have negative side effects so it can take some shopping around but talk to medical professionals.
(Full disclosure I don’t take medical sleep aids due to other complications but I know many who do and swear by them)
Dude if you can’t go without screens for 30 min you might have other problems.
But try reading books instead. Should be enough to stop you going mad (hopefully) without messing with your sleep.
yeah no shit i’ve been waiting a year now to start getting diagnosed for autism/adhd
as for books: finding a book that doesn’t bore me to bits is an arse, all the good stuff is digital.
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Boring you is the point… If it’s an interesting book, it’ll keep you awake. The point isn’t to have a good time, it’s to fall asleep.
Get sick and put on a shitload of meds, half of which are literal poison.
What’s happening with you when you get bored we tell people to stop using screens and coffee specifically because boredom is the goal you might need some medical attention if you can’t sleep when bord
what does boredom have to do with going to sleep? you need to be tired, not bored. if i’m sufficiently tired no amount of entertainment will keep me awake and if i’m not tired them being bored is just going to make my thoughts spin in circles and make me restless.
I know you got downvoted, but I do have autism and adhd and I feel this in my bones. It’s the opposite of neurotypicals— we actually need the stimulation in order to get to sleep.
yeah, people just don’t even realize they’re being ableist unfortunately, as always neurodivergency is not taken seriously.
I was about 45 when I found this:
Bedtime stories that bore you to sleep. It doesn’t work for everyone, but it changed my life.
Screens give off blue light, which your body uses to measure “daytime.” If you cant do screen free activities before bed, install a color corrector that shifts your devices outputs to red dominant light ~1-2 hours before you would like to sleep.
Break the habit of doing non sleep things in the afternoon in your bed. If the only thing you do in bed is sleep, it trains your brain to start internal sleep processes when you get into the sleep spot.
If you havent tried it before, try exercising 1-3 hours before you want to sleep. Can be simple like a walk or jog, or quick and short reps of jumping jacks, crunches, and stretches. Whatever works. The workout helps burn off energy and other hormones that keep you up, tuckers you out a bit, and very very lightly damages muscles which gives your body a “reason” to sleep. You do most of your healing asleep.
Sleepless rest is better than no rest at all. Lying awake for 2 hours and then sleeping for 4 does more for your body than just sleeping for 4 hours. Sleep is king, but even if you arent asleep, resting still helps your body recover. If you cannot sleep, try not to stress about not sleeping, because at least you are getting rest.
On your off days and free time, there is no shame in midday napping. Often, people try not to nap out of fear it will spoil their sleep. Sometimes, those naps help you catch up on sleep to get you back into a healthy sleep schedule. And, again, any rest is better than none.
of course i’ve been using night filters on my screens, as i said i’ve tried EVERYTHING to get better sleep and nothing works.
as for naps, those are even more impossible to achieve. the like… 5 times? i’ve managed to take a nap i’ve just ended up sleeping for several hours which only serves to further fuck up the sleep schedule.
You seem determined to fail.
I just do 2 bong rips instead of 1.
Step 0.5: eat dinner several hours before you even want to be sleepy
(I used to have a lot of sleeping issues that all stemmed from me chronically eating too late)
I’ve always found that point odd because for me I can’t sleep when hungry often my body’s wake up alarm is getting hungry so all eating dinner hours before sleep just makes me wake up starved in the middle of the night so I usually eat as late as possible so I can have my more consistent alarm clock wake me up instead of my stomach
What works for me is: a slice or two of high-fiber bread, toasted with a bit of butter, about an hour before I sleep.
Also, it’s not unusual to wake up at least once in the middle of the night.
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I think people are built differently and what works for some people doesn’t work for others. I know people who can’t function without a hearty breakfast. For me, eating soon after I get up makes me feel sick. I feel best if I don’t eat for several hours after I get up.
For sleeping, I think the most important thing is routine / habit. If your body recognizes that you’re in the routine you do before bed, it knows what comes next. What that routine is can differ from person to person.
Same for me. I also exercise tons so I have to eat a huge second dinner before bed or I can’t sleep at all.
Yeah, dude, you do fuck tons of exercise. No wonder you sleep well!
A reminder that fit does not automatically mean healthy.
Moderate exercise for 20 minutes daily is also important for sleep regulation.
Although I will preface all this advice with the fact that if your natural circadian rhythm does not line up with the time you sleep your quality of sleep will always remain degraded.
I don’t even need to do the no screens part. I try to read on my tablet before bed and end up passing out 15 minutes into it. It takes me months to finish books.
Someone gave me the advice of actually not reading before bed, because your body will associate reading with sleep and make it more difficult at other times.
I don’t exactly follow it, but reading is definitely effective at putting me to sleep
You’re missing the only one that actually works for me. Get up at roughly the same time every morning. I won’t do it, but I should.
There are alarm apps that can be set up to require taking a picture of a specific thing to turn the alarm off. I used one in college, where I had to take a picture of my toilet. Ten years later I still wake up around 6am every day with no alarm.
I think you were being used to train AI dude
But only on toilets.
If so that ai has a vast depth of knowledge of what toilets look like
my body forces me up around 6-7 for some reason and i wake up periodically throughout the night
its a blessing when i want to be productive early because of things i didnt do the night before
but its a curse when i just want some sleep for once.
sometimes i sleep the whole night no problems and feel NICE in the morning but im usually ludicrously baked (more than usual) when that happens.
Consistent sleep is the #1 sleep-related correlate of academic performance, even more so than duration or quality! Sleeping at the same time every night is incredibly important.
I sleep from 12-5:30 every night and feel so much better than a solid but inconsistent 8 hours.
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I slept fine when working a flip schedule. I programmed my into body that we will be going to sleep after we get home from work regardless of the time of day.
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You ever drink baileys out of a shoe?
are you overclocking your fucking bed??
No, they’re overclocking their sleeping bed. The fucking bed runs on factory settings.
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This is not true for me or anybody in my friend group so I guess I don’t know how accurate it is.
But we do all take vitamin D when the weather is depressing.
or anybody in my friend group
I think that’s the problem. People think their friend groups are representative, but they’re not.
Me: tried to disclaim the limited scope I’m speaking about
You: YOUR SCOPE IS LIMITED, MORON
If that’s how you read my comment, you need to take some time and relax a bit.
Yeah, I don’t know anyone who takes sleep aids every night. I take them when I want to knock myself out and have a day off the next day, but otherwise no one I know even seems to be aware of Zquil/etc
I went through a brief period in college when I was taking a full load and working 30 hours a week. I needed to carefully plan my sleep schedule. I was taking sleeping pills to go to sleep right away and caffeine pills to get going, with coffee/soda throughout the day. Was it healthy? Absolutely not.
On the plus side, I developed a new drink at the cafe I was working at, The Opener; for those 5am shifts.
- walk by coffee pots, start all of the machines.
- walk to espresso machine, pull an espresso shot into a regular coffee mug.
- set down all of my ‘stuff’
- at this point espresso has finished
- take espresso mug back to coffee makers. At this point they are hot and flowing. Replace coffee pot with my mug.
- Once mug is topped off with coffee, replace coffee pot.
- Sip drink while turning on the lights and computers
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I’m so tired at the end of the day I have no problem falling asleep.
Shit, I have at least a cup of coffee at night and I have no trouble sleeping like 99% of the time. And when I do have trouble it’s for unrelated reasons. I also eat late. I’m apparently doing everything wrong but I’m lucky I guess
!RemindMe 20 years
I’m in the picture, in the lower part. When I struggle to sleep, I put on a 15min podcast and only remember half or less when I wake up.
Americans are often overmedicated, and these kind of drugs usually make you reliant on them to sleep, so that may be the reason.
Again, big pharma doing big pharma things
What medications do people normally take that inhibit sleep?
Melatonin production stops once you start taking it artificially. American melatonin also can have fucked up stuff like melatonin tablets 1000% being over the shown amount it should contain.
Uhh then I was an idiot to put off stopping it just because I wouldnt be able to sleep for a few days after stopping use?
I don’t know man… not sure exactly what you’re saying. Always wise to be cautious about taking any kind of drug or supplement, especially regularly. It doesn’t seem like melatonin is one to be worried about but if you’re saying you experienced problems with it after regular use, sure seems reasonable to lay off.
There is lots of variation in how individuals respond to specific substances so maybe it affects some people, including yourself, differently.
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