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Well, that escalated quickly.
Oh poor baby, do you need the dishwasher to wash your dishes? Do you need the washing mashine to wash your clothes? You can’t do it?
how about fucking your wife?
What I wrote was fucking my wife.
Yes, because my wife is Stalin
I just had Copilot hallucinate 4 separate functions, despite me giving it 2 helper files for context that contain all possible functions available to use.
AI iS tHe FuTuRE.
Even if it IS the future, it is not the present. Stop using it now.
Not the person you replied to, but my job wants us to start using it.
The idea that this will replace programmers is dumb, now or ever. But I’m okay with a tool to assist. I see it as just another iteration of the IDE.
Art and creative writing are different beasts altogether, of course.
My wife uses AI tools a lot (while I occasionally talk to Siri). But she uses it for things like: she’s working on a book and so she used it to develop book cover concepts that she then passed along to me to actually design. I feel like this is the sort of thing most of us want AI for—an assistant to help us make things, not something to make the thing for us. I still wrestle with the environmental ethics of this, though.
The environmental impacts can be solved easily by pushing for green tech. But that’s more a political problem that a technical problem IMO. Like stop subsizing oil and gas and start subsizing nuclear (in the short term) and green energy in the long term.
It’s cutting my programming work in half right now with quality .NET code. As long as I stay in the lead and have good examples + context in my codebase, it saves me a lot of time.
This was not the case for co-pilot though, but Cursor AI combined with Claude 3.7 is quite advanced.
If people are not seeing any benefit, I think they have the wrong use cases, workflow or tools. Which can be fair limitations depending on your workplace of course.
You could get in a nasty rabbit hole if you vibe-code too much though. Stay the architect and check generated code / files after creation.
Our tiny company of software engineers have embraced it in the IDE for what it is, a tool.
As a tool we have saved a crazy amount of man hours and as I don’t work for ghouls we recently got pay increases and a reduction in hours.
There are only 7 of us including the two owner / engineers and it’s been a game changer.
I use it extremely sparingly. I’m critical of anything it gives me. I find I waste more time fixing its work and removing superfluous code more than I do gaining value from it.
The Copilot code completion in VSCode works surprisingly well. Asking Copilot in the web chat about anything usually makes me want to rip my hair out. I have no idea how these two could possibly be based on the same model
It quite depends on your use case, doesn’t it? This decades-old phrase about an algorithm in Fractint always stuck with me: “[It] can guess wrong, but it sure guesses quickly!”
Part of my job is getting an overview - just some generic leads and hints - about topics completely unknown to me, really fast. So I just ask an LLM, verify the links it gives and create a response within like 10-15 minutes. So far, no complaints.Yeah I find the code completion is pretty consistent and learns from other work I’m doing. Chat and asking it to do anything though is a hallucinogenic nightmare.
Kwebbelkop making an AI generated video from an AI generated prompt for his AI to react to:
Kwebbelkop said on a Dutch tv channel that all the dutch speaking youtubers were insignificant compared to him. Now the only thing he produces is garbage and the Dutch youtubers still make authentic content.
Fuck kwebbelkop.
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Robot, experience this dramatic irony for me!
If only I’d programmed the robot to be more careful what I wished for!
nah, I want chat gpt to be my wife, since I don’t have a real one
/s
Fuck /s.
I want a fuckable android… Uhh I mean maid wife.
I would rather date an operating system than an LLM. The OS can be trusted with elevated rights and access to my files.
Spoiler
Assuming Samantha is Linux-based, of course, I would never date a non-free OS.
BSD waifus in shambles
Had it write some simple shader yesterday cause I have no idea how those work. It told me about how to use the mix and step functions to optimize for GPUs, then promptly added some errors I had to find myself. Actually not that bad cause now after fixing it I do understand the code. Very educational.
Shaders are black magic so understandable. However, they’re worth learning precisely because they are black magic. Makes you feel incredibly powerful once you start understanding them.
This is my experience using it for electrical engineering and programming. It will give me 80% of the answer, and the remainder 20% is hidden errors. Turns out the best way to learn math from GPT is to ask it a question you know the answer (but not the process) to. Then, reverse engineer the process and determine what mistakes were made and why they impact the result.
Alternatively, just refer to existing materials in the textbook and online. Then you learn it right the first time.
thank you for that last sentence because I thought I was going crazy reading through these responses.
Some people retain information easier by doing than reading.
ok, I finally figured out my view on this I believe. I was worried I was being a grumpy old man who was just yelling at the AI (still probably am, but at least I can articulate why I feel this is a negative reply to my concerns)
It’s not reproducible.
I personally don’t believe asking an AI with a prompt then “troubleshooting” it is the best educational tool for the masses to be promoted to each-other. It works for some individuals, but as you can see the results will always vary with time.
There are so many promotional and awesome educational tools that emphasize the “doing” part instead of reading. You don’t need to ask an AI prompt then try to fix all the horrible shit when there is always a statistically likely chance you will never be able to solve it and the AI gave you an impossible answer to fix.
I get some people do it, some people succeed, and some people are maybe so lonely that this interaction is actually preferable since it seems like some weird sort of collaboration. The reality is that the AI was trained unethically and has so many moral and ethical repercussions that just finding a decent educator or forum/discord to actually engage with is whole magnitudes better for society and your own mental processes.
In this context AI-gen codescript sounds like a fast track to a final exam before qualification
I used it yesterday because I couldn’t get mastodon’s version of http signing working. It spat out a shell script which worked, which is more than my attempts did.
mastodon’s version of http signing
I hate it so damn much
Same. They don’t even use the standard that was finalised, they are using an RFC draft that expired in 2022.
Joke on you, my wife and I are into it!
It’s such a weird question. Why would I need ChatGPT to fuck my wife when we have the Dildoninator 9000 with Vac-u-loc attachments and King fu grip?
🥺🥺
I don’t need Chat GPT to fuck my wife but if I had one and her and Chat GPT were into it then I would like to watch Chat GPT fuck my wife.
good on you!
Thanks. So I have Chat GPT, now all I need is a wife… Maybe I should ask Chat GPT for one.
To me the worse thing is, my collage uses ai to make the tests, I can see it’s made by it because of multiple correct options, and in a group the teacher said something like “why lost 1h to make when ai can make it in seconds”
I like to use ai to “convert” citations, like APA to ABNT, I’m lazy for it and it’s just moving the position of the words so yeah
What is up with the rise of pro AI people on here? I just “talked” to some kind of person in support of it. Are tankies pro AI now?
Most don’t have a problem with AI itself and even find it useful in its proper use cases
What most of us hate about it is the corporations shoving it every which way where it doesn’t belong, doesn’t work and down all our throats for profits so they can make line go up
Seconded. I genuinely understand most of the hate against AI, but I can’t understand how some people are so completely against any possible implementation.
Sometimes, an LLM is just good at rewording documentation to provide some extra context and examples. Sometimes it’s good for reformatting notes into bullet points, or asking about that one word you can’t put your finger on but generally remember some details about, but not enough for the thesaurus to find it.
Limited, sure, but not entirely useless. Of course, when my fucking charity fundraising platform starts adding features where you can speak to it and tell it “donate $x to x charity” instead of just clicking the buttons yourself, and that’s where the development budget is going… yeah, I’m not exactly happy about that.
It’s pretty common to be pro-AI or at least neutral about it. Lemmy seems to have an echo chamber of hating it as far as I can tell, so maybe it’s just new people coming in?
Might be people who don’t give a shit one way or another are getting tired of the front page being filled with anti-AI memes every day.
It’s useful. I ain’t letting it write software. But I can let it write my stupid report and paperwork while feeding him the important bit. Because I really don’t want to bother.
If that report and paperwork is inane, rat race stuff, i won’t be as hard. But if that is part of school work, you’re mentally cooked then.
Ho no, I used the reformating and rewording machine to do something that I was doing for years and still suck at doing. I can’t write a legible well formated sentence to save my life. I just feed it whatever it needs to say, it plays it’s magic and get something that looks understandable to my coworkers.
Okay I am exaggerating, but I really struggle to be either concise and this helps me.
But this is a problem with society. AI won’t fix this at all. It will just exacerbate the issue.
If the ubiquity of LLMs kills the MLA essay, it’ll be worth the price.
I haven’t encountered an English teacher that knows how to teach someone how to make an effective argument or state a compelling case, what they know how to do is strictly adhere to the MLA handbook and spot minor grammatical pet peeves. From high school to university I’ve never had an English teacher call me up to discuss my paper to talk about how I could have more effectively made a point, but I’ve gotten commas written over with semicolons.
I had the same experience, but I recently helped my sister with a homework essay and she had a full page with the exact requirements and how they were graded.
90% of the points were for content, the types of arguments, proper structure and such. Only 10% were for spelling and punctuation.
Meaning she could hand in a complete mess, but as long as her argument was solid and she divided the introduction, arguments and conclusion into paragraphs, she’d still get a 9/10. No grumpy teachers docking half her grade for a few commas. She gets similar detailed instructions for every subject where I used to struggle with vague assignments like “give a good presentation”. It was so bad sometimes, the teacher let the class grade each other.(Note we aren’t American, not even English.)
This comment completelt encapsulates what is wrong. MLA essays? The format is going to die? You have issues with shitty teachers, where are there problems due to the systems in place, you are alright with AI taking away an important human experience? Like come on. Can we stop using AI and critically think for a bit.
So, first, Yeah I’d be in favor of killing the format itself; the MLA format seems to have two functions: 1. to force tens of thousands of young adults to buy MLA handbooks every semester from college book stores, and 2. to serve as a warning to any reader that the article they’ve found was written by an ENG112 student who didn’t give the first squirt of a monday morning’s piss about it because it was assigned to him more as a barrier for him to dodge than an exercise to strengthen him. Actual scholarship is done in the APA format and we’d be better off if we just taught that.
Second, I reject the notion that writing tedious research papers qualifies as “an important human experience.” Again, a lot of folks are forced to dabble in it similarly to how they’re forced to dabble in mathematical proofs: once or twice in high school and once or twice in college, they’re required to rote memorize something for a couple weeks. I’m rather convinced that a lot of the time taken in school from about 7th grade up is designed to appear academic more than actually be academic.
Third, I’m in the camp that says scrap most of the idea we have of formal academic writing, for multiple reasons. Chiefly, the more of those worthless English teachers we can put back into food service where they belong, the better. Stepping a little bit out of my comedy internet persona a bit, I do believe the idea of “impersonal, dry, boring, jargon-laden, complicated” research papers has gone beyond any practical function it may have had. There is something to be said for using standardized language, minimizing slang and such. To me, that would be a reason to write in something like VoA simplified English rather than Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness. I’m also not alone in the idea that scientific concepts and research are getting to the point that text on page isn’t the right tool for conveying it; Jupyter notebooks and other such tools are often better than a stodgy essay.
Fourth, undoing the rigorous formats of “scholarly articles” may deal a blow to junk science. I’ve seen English teachers point to the essay format, presence of citations, presence in journals etc. as how you tell a written work has any merit. In practice this has meant that anyone wanting to publish junk science has an excellent set of instructions on how to make it look genuine. Hell, all you’ve got to do is cite a source that doesn’t exist and you’ve created truth from whole cloth, like that “you swallow 8 spiders in your sleep” thing.
Finally, whether the problem lies in the bureaucracy that creates curricula or individual teachers, I’m in favor of forcing their hands by eliminating the long-form essay as a thing they can reasonably expect students to do on a “here’s this semester’s busywork, undergrad freshman” basis.
Btw, I’d suggest to install deepseek (or any other model) locally so that you don’t give your data for free to others (also for security reasons).
Take advantage that it is a free/open software and somewhat easy to install.
Pretty much how I use it. Unimportant waste of time tasks like forms from HR and mandatory “anonymous” surveys. Refuse to do it until told directly and then get AI to write the most inoffensive and meaningless corporate bullshit.
Of course not having to do the task at all would be a more efficient use of my time but we get ignored when we say these forms are pointless. Not heard any one day anything positive about them in over a year.
thing I don’t like is on the rise
must be the tankies
who else would it be? They’re the only people on the internet, don’t you know?
Yes, and it must be fascists. But, I repeat you.
People hate new things, they get used to them when they become actually useful and forget what was the reason in the first place repeat ad nauseam
In addition to niche political audiences, Lemmy is full of tech professionals who have probably integrated AI into their daily workflow in some meaningful ways.
Name one use.
Converting technician to HR
I just got a high priority request to write a couple of VBA macros to fetch data from a database then use it to make a bunch of API queries. I know VBA about as well as I know Chinese or Icelandic. I figured out the query and told Chat GPT to use it in a macro. It wrote all the VBA code. I went through a few rounds of “fix this bug, add this feature” and now my client is happy and I didn’t have to think much about VBA. I knew what and how to ask it for what I wanted and it saved me days of searching google and reading about VBA. That’s high value to me because I don’t care about VBA and don’t really want to know how to use it.
So use it on things no one cares about, got it.
I mean, its great finding me sources of information.
Could google do it? Not as good as it used too or as good as ai, but yes.
I also use it to format my brain storms.
Or where it’s located or what the name of the function i need.
Or if i want info on items i am looking to buy, like what the benefit of waxing my bike chain is over oils. That sort of thing
Ai is absolutely amazing at finding you misinformation, no doubt about that.
You are needlessly combative.
if i have reason to doubt it, and that depends on how i feel the importance on the data i am working with, it gives me the source of its information. So i can verify it. Google is even worse at providing misinformation because it’s just a hose of information with a bunch of ads hidden amongst it, and people bidding for elevated results, and spam.
No matter what tool you use to harness the internet, it’s up to the user to parse that info.
And a lot of that spam is now written by ChatGPT.
True but irrelevant.
It’s called astroturfing.
I want to ask a chatbot for an AI slop picture, then an essay, then to fuck my wife.
yeah imma keep it real with you, i ain’t wasting my time writing an essay or sum when i can take one sentence into an AI instead. more free time for me.
however i do not possess the audacity to then claim that i am a “AI writer” or sum
Yay! More free time to eat the crayons!
or, you know, pursue my hobbies instead of slaving away at my job
You write essays at your job?
it was an example.
i am still an apprentice so i have to write a lot at vocational college. which i outsource to ChatGPT quite often
Isn’t the point of being at a college… to learn stuff?
im only there cause law dictated my presence for my occupation to be acknowledged. i have yet to learn something i didn’t learn at my work beforehand
Being on the IT industry, I can assure you that AI can teach you more stuff than most teachers. But that’s not to give credit to AI, it’s a result of my country, and many others, not investing on education.
I mean, yeah, if you’re doing college or university just to certify the skills you already have, all the power to you. I’ve also learned a lot of stuff despite my professors’ best efforts to make it as dull as possible (which was in 2010s). But framing it as anything but means to game the broken system is not it.
Did you edit your comment so that mine doesn’t make sense?
That’s skeevy.
no i didn’t. i didn’t edit a single comment in this thread
My bad then.
I write code at my job, and it makes me faster at writing code.
The only time you’re wasting is time you could be improving yourself. By having the AI write for you, you’re choosing to not improve your writing/research/analytical skills, and hoping the dipshit bot that’s writing your essay doesn’t just make bullshit up out of whole cloth.
I’m not saying not to use the AI to assist with the process, but IMO that should be more on the gathering sources side than the composition side.
the only thing i’d improve at is to pull words out my ass to get the presentation to 10 minute length although everything could be said in 3 minutes. i use AI to take care of the bullshit, then i fact check and improve/rewrite. that way i didi in 20 minutes what others took hours to do
I don’t need to “improve myself” at every task I ever take. Rather save the time and then chill on the beach with a pint instead.
It’s so strange to see folks randomly adopt this hardcore grindset mentality when AI is mentioned.
At this particular moment, for this particular task I am not seeking to improve my skills
OH, Well I guess you’ve never cared about a thing in your life and you want robots to take all your joy and fuck your wife??
Not everything is improving.
These last week I had to make some questions about a topic to test myself, and to practice answering those questions.
I don’t need to improve in “question writing skills” or anything like that. Even better, it’s very convenient to not known what questions would I get so it’s more like a real exam. So I just took an LLM inputted the topic I wanted to be asked about and told it to make me questions.
I’m very happy with the results, it was fast and help me practice answering the questions about the topic I was studying.
i feel like this is emblematic for the shit state of the world. like ppl should write essays because they wanna say something. if you can have an ai write your essay for you, then why are u even writing an essay in the first place? i know the answer to that is because your school or work commands it, and thats such alienating bs.
Imagine having your job be to learn and you make an autocorrect do it
Yeah the AI can by definition only regurgitate ideas. It’s precisely the opposite of why humans write essays.
That hasn’t been true for a little bit now. They are increasingly able to solve novel problems outside the training set.
I get the pushback against AI, I really do. But let’s at least be honest about their capabilities.
They are increasingly able to solve novel problems outside the training set.
[citation needed]
I’m sure the argument here will be about the definition of “novel” no matter what evidence I provide. Every time LLMs do something previously supposed impossible, people quickly move the goalposts. Downvote me all you want, I know Lemmy is strongly anti-AI and nothing I say actually matters.
Lol, I can’t even downvote you cuz my instance doesn’t support them.
I’m genuinely curious because it sounds like you’re suggesting that the models are moving past just being generative transformers into something more intelligent, and I just have not seen evidence of that. Only empty claims of it existing and using very weak examples of ‘novel responses’ that still is just a generative transformers response.
But sure, if you can’t support your point with solid evidence, passive aggressive dismissal of skepticism works just as well. People are constantly fed a narrative that AI is amazing and can do all this novel shit, but I have yet to see anything to back it up.
Only empty claims of it existing and using very weak examples of ‘novel responses’ that still is just a generative transformers response.
Right, this is exactly what I’m talking about. Saying that it’s “still just a generative transformer’s response” by definition presupposes that every response must be unnovel, even if the solution can be proven to not be in the training set. This is a pointless discussion if that is the line you want to draw.
A lot of people here just lack the critical thinking to properly critisize AI. Yes, AI is guilty of a lot of mediocre slop, it doesn’t mean that AI as a whole is bad in every possible regard.
It doesn’t take much big brain to mistrust the ideas coming from AI. How are those children’s books written by AI and sold on Amazon coming along?
It also doesn’t take much of a big brain to realize you can do more with AI than to use it as a writer or as an ideation tool for writing, which is a bad way to use it. Which goes back to my point that you need better critical thinking to criticize AI, because this ain’t it.
My criticism of AI in this thread sums up to: it sucks for long form writing, and also for creating kids’ books.
Your thing is, be better at criticizing AI. Ok. Go ahead.
answer to that is because your school or work commands it
Is… is that not the answer? At least that’s my personal experience with it. Few people enjoy writing essays.
but then why are you even bothering with work or school? Take some pride in your work, put some effort in to improve your life. You will learn more/perform better.
school was kinda mandatory…
yeah and it’s important. You wanna see what happens when you neglect school? Look at America.
It might be important, but also inefficient and genuinely terrible to live through for many people. I don’t understand how some people can look back fondly of school, mine was fucking awful.
In my 5 years at secondary school in the UK, 2 teachers arrested for rape of a student, one disappeared with no statement given after getting into a fist fight with a student and teachers looking the other way at violence between kids was a daily occurrence. Often went home with bruises and no one cared, told our head of year before and he blamed me for it, apparently climbing a tree means I deserve to be thrown into a wall and pushed into a main road.
My country has one of the best educations in the world. I was pretty decent in essays as well. But in no way did I particularly enjoy them. So idk what your point is.
Nobody said you have to enjoy them, learning how to formulate and structure your thought process is still important
yeah your precious time
my time on this planet is as limited as yours or any others. i will make the most of it. just cause you don’t value your time, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t too
