• @tiramichu@lemm.ee
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    Steam has this crazy concept where as a game gets older, you don’t have to pay as much for it as when it was new! Pretty wild, I know.

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          Yep. In the case of Factorio, for now at least, it’s evergreen. It’s priced cheaper than it probably could be honestly and it’ll only get better. Likely anyone not interested with the current price tag isn’t interested at all. Not going on sale means you never feel the need to wait for a sale. You just buy it when you want to.

          • @MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
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            Same thing with RimWorld. They only go down like 10% because they want players who want the game for what it is, not just a cheap bargain. I respect it. A lot of love put into that game.

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              I wonder when the next Rimworld expansion is coming, presumably not too far off by now? Curious to see what new warcrimes it adds.

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            Even though I bought the expansion and haven’t even played a single second of it yet (factorio burn out is real). It’s still the cheapest game I’ve ever legally acquired in terms of £/s

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              I never agree with the $/time metric being used, but it is the easiest. I prefer (enjoyment/time)/$. If a game drags itself out just to keep me playing, I don’t value that.

              With that said, Factorio is great for this too. Even with the current price (which is not the price I paid), it’s an amazing value. Once you consider the mods that are available, it’s easily worth the price.

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        GOG is also DRM-free and lets you download the game installer as a backup, even if they’ve been pushing hard for their GOG Galaxy clients as of lately.

        • Natanox
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          Indeed, it’s not their main goal either. Unfortunately tools like Lutris, while doing awesome work, are utterly overwhelmed by both the influx of people as well as the amount of games. And while most GOG games work with the auto-generated installers, many do not and require custom installers that are often unmaintained and quickly become outdated.

        • @Blindsite@lemmy.today
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          True. But for the most part I game on a Windows box. Most games don’t have Linux support and I don’t want to bother trying to run things through Wine. I have 2 seperate comps for Linux and Windows. I pretty much use my Windows computer for for gaming and blender because it has the better graphics card and processor.

        • @neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Gog stopped their own linux launcher and instead unofficially partnered up with heroic (heroic got their own affiliate link). Until now it works pretty well.

          • Nils
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            Gog stopped their own linux launcher and instead unofficially partnered

            Stop spreading this nonsense.

            Heroic added affiliated links to their software that anyone can apply for (without notifying the users at first).

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                I am not sure if you replied to the wrong thread, good for you that it works for your needs, but

                My point is that GOG did not drop Linux support and instead partnered with another company. Not about the quality of the software.

                1. Gog waning Linux support is completely unrelated to Heroic
                2. Gog did not seek partnership
                3. Heroic devs just applied to a program that anyone can apply to.

                That said, it is shady to inject links and not notify it on the release note or change log. I think there was a message on their mastodon at some point, and the implementation crashed for some people with more restrictive firewall on their network, there were some discussions on the issues page of their code repository.

    • @N00b22@lemmy.ml
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      I think it depends on the developer sometimes, for example when Microsoft announced they were going to delist Forza Horizon 4 (June of last year) they put it on sale multiple times at 80% until it was delisted on December 16

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    I don’t know what Nintendo was thinking by doing the Nintendo tax bullshit harder than ever during a time when Americans are facing such heavy financial burdens

    • @Jhex@lemmy.world
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      Most likely they came up with the plan while people thought Trump was not going to do the crazy stuff he kept talking about…

      • Queen HawlSera
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        To still go through with it and have Doug Bowser give this “Do you guys not have phones?” level bullshit defense?

        • @Jhex@lemmy.world
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          It seems these idiots do not have the emotional intelligence we try to enforce in toddlers to recognize when a mistake was done, make apologies and rectify… instead they quadruple down and keep pushing as if their idea is now even more genius than before.

          This is how we end up with Trump literally destroying the US economy while people wonder “is it outrageous stupidity or intergalactic 17 dimensional chess?”

          We have never (to my knowledge) lived in a real life, non analogy, of the Emperor has no clothes

    • @stock@lemmy.world
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      These tariffs suck for sure, but America is not the center of the world : the pricing of these games is insane and looks like a poor marketing decision globally

      • Queen HawlSera
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        I’m aware, but it’s worth noting since America is usually a big consumer country, and right now, we can’t onsume.

  • @glitchdx@lemmy.world
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    We already know that the steamdeck plays switch games better than the switch. It would be hilarious if it also plays switch2 games better than the switch2.

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          Metroid dread runs pretty great on Deck, too! But last I checked Mario odyssey is something like 10fps, same with the mario galaxy switch port 😢

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          I’ve been trying to play totk on my steam deck cuz im not shelling out 70 bucks for a game and it runs at like 20 fps. How are you getting it running playably

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            I’ll look into it when I get a chance, I don’t remember the details, but it went pretty smoothly for me.

    • @Chrobin@discuss.tchncs.de
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      It definitely won’t play Switch 2 games better. The hardware is roughly in the same ballpark performance wise, but the steam deck needs to emulate Switch 2 games.

      Please, you can argue all you want against Nintendo, but just straight up lying really doesn’t help.

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        Steam link to a desktop running an emulator though?

        Is there even much competition between them though, I would have thought people considering one wouldn’t even think of the other.

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          If the leaks are correct its:

          Full specs:

          CPU: Arm Cortex-A78C
              8 cores
              Unknown L1/L2/L3 cache sizes
          GPU: Nvidia T239 Ampere
              1 Graphics Processing Cluster (GPC)
              12 Streaming Multiprocessors (SM)
              1534 CUDA cores
              6 Texture Processing Clusters (TPC)
              48 Gen 3 Tensor cores
              2 RTX ray-tracing cores
          RAM: 12 GB LPDDR5
          

          Handheld Mode:

          CPU: 998.4 MHz
          GPU: 561 MHz (~1.72 TFLOPS)
          Memory Frequency: 4266 MHz
          Memory Bandwidth: 68.256 GB/s
          

          Docked Mode:

          CPU: 1100.8 MHz
          GPU: 1007.25 MHz (~3.09 TFLOPS)
          Memory Frequency: 6400 MHz
          Memory Bandwidth: 102.4 GB/s
          

          I personally don’t know how that compares to other hardware though.
          (Edit: Thanks for the replies!)

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            core count x clock speed hasn’t been a good metric for about 15-20 years, but if we go by that anyway then it looks like the switch2 will be slightly worse than a steam deck.

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            Here’s the OLED Deck specs for comparison:

            APU

            6 nm AMD APU

            APU power: 4-15W

            (which contains:)

            CPU:

            Zen 2 4c/8t, 2.4-3.5GHz

            (up to 448 GFlops FP32)

            GPU:

            8 RDNA 2 CUs, 1.6GHz

            (1.6 TFlops FP32)

            RAM:

            16 GB LPDDR5 on-board RAM

            (6400 MT/s quad 32-bit channels)

            Storage:

            Steam Deck 512GB NVMe SSD

            Steam Deck 1TB NVMe SSD

            Both include high-speed microSD card slot

            EDIT: More details

            https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Steam-Deck-OLED-APU-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.799065.0.html

            So basically, the Deck and Switch 2 are roughly inverted in compartitive hardware power… the Deck has a more powerful CPU, the Switch 2 has a more powerful GPU.

            EDIT 2:

            also the Deck has 33% more RAM.

            • @samus12345@lemm.ee
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              Consoles can also do more with less since the games are (unless they’re shitty ports) designed for that specific hardware.

              • @sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                Yep, this is always a factor, even with PC games.

                For example: the Switch 2 uses an ARM CPU.

                That is different in significant ways than an x86/64 CPU.

                How the system allocates memory is also… a confounding factor.

                Sometimes you have just one kind of RAM shared between the CPU and GPU. Sometimes there are different kinds of RAM for the CPU and GPU.

                It looks like the Switch 2 is sharing LPPDR5 RAM between the CPU and GPU, as the Deck does… on the Deck, you can use CryoUtils to manually adjust how much is allocated to which.

                The Switch 2 will… maybe have a standardized allocation for all games, or allow certain games to adjust the allocation.

                And then if course there is port quality, and proton…

                It gets pretty complicated to estimate just purely from specs alone.

                Hence why the PC centric crowd is so much into empirical testing via benchmarks.

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              That low ram is going to hurt the new switch pretty quickly, I think. I wouldn’t get a newish pc/laptop if it didn’t have at least 16g ram these days. They’re going to struggle again with ports.

  • @mtchristo@lemm.ee
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    Not a Nintendo fanboy. But their own IP games are truly fun. That alone is enough incentive to buy the switch

  • Baggins [he/him]
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    steam voice chat

    PC exclusive games

    Get every GameCube game for free instantly by pirating them

    • Programmer Belch
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      GameCube, Wii… Even switch if you can find an emulator fork that still works

      • @TachyonTele@lemm.ee
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        Switch emulators are still just as easy to find as they always were. Most people include them with the game.

      • Sixty
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        Sidebar in my community has links for the surviving Switch emu forks, but I haven’t tried installing them on Linux/Deck yet.

        Assume it’s going to be far more manual than a Flatpak or whatever for the time being :S

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          It literally is just install a flatpak, then configure the control scheme in the emu, maybe tweak some settings, add it to your steam library, map the steam controls to the emu controls in game mode.

          EmuDeck/RetroDeck automate most of this or you can just find the individual emus in the Discover software center.

          … They might actually perform better if you compiled the entire thing from source on your Deck, which is possible to do, but is significantly more of a hassle, gotta set up a root pw, turn off read only mode, hope you can actually find all the sources for the dependencies, know how to tune/tweak the compile parameters to optimally use the Deck’s hardware…

          Ive gotten Ryujinx working via flatpak… but uh… lets just say I’d have to delve into OCing/PowerToolsing my Deck to get it to actually run many Switch/WiiU games at a playable framerate.

          It works, its stable software wise… but the Deck isn’t quite powerful enough.

          … Also, it could be that most modern emus are designed to map consoles onto traditional PC architecture, and ironically the Deck uses an APU which is closer to many consoles, so it doesn’t actually perform as well as it could with better support.

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            How does 3DS run? I have a hacked Switch so can just run Switch games on that, but 3DS is beyond the Switch’s capabilities.

            • @sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              So, I have literally never used a 3ds emulator before, ever.

              EmuDeck set up Azahar in a few minutes, a few minutes more for me to find an OoT rom, a few minutes more to dl it…

              …a few minutes more to figure out that the EmuDeck parser thing either isn’t working at finding 3ds files … or I am a moron and you just install the .cia (what a file extension name) into the Emu, in Desktop mode.

              Add the Azahar emulator itself into steam library via EmuDeck which launches Steam Rom Manager…

              Back out into game mode, launch Azahar, launch OoT, and yep, it works, also wow I forgot the 3ds has two screens, Azahar’s default render screen sectioning for this is weird, but it works!

              Turn on performance overlay, looks like I’m getting a solid 60 fps, rendering the main game screen at double the DS’s native resolution.

              Start a new save file, go through the intro sequence, run around in my treehouse room a bit…

              All works, save for a few instances of the audio playing… a bit too fast, or too slow, for maybe a split second, in a few parts of the Navi flying really fast intro sequence.

              … So… seems to work just fine, basically?

              Probably I could tinker with Azahar’s settings a bit to see if I can iron out the mild audio quirks, but I’d say thats pretty good for a total elapsed time of about 30 minutes, and me having literally zero experience with 3ds emus, much less on a Deck.

              EmuDeck handled making up the control scheme layout in Game Mode, which worked fine in game, automatically, I just had to deal with some mild awkwardness of double clicking on OoT with the trackpad to launch it.

              • @samus12345@lemm.ee
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                Thanks for trying it out! Sounds like it’ll require tinkering to get games running smoothly. About what I’d expect!

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                  It might be worth noting that I was running Azahar through Vulkan… which … I think is currently listed as an ‘experimental’ level of support by Azahar’s website.

                  It recommends OpenGL for better support and stability.

                  I ran around more in Kokiri Village, no more audio spikes. I think its just due to how certain cutscenes quick load scene transitions.

                  Also, I completely didn’t expect this to just work, but it does:

                  The secondary screen, that’s touch sensitive on a 3ds?

                  Well the Deck’s screen is touch sensitive as well.

                  Worked just fine to navigate through the map and item menus and what not, just poking the Deck’s screen itself.

          • Sixty
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            I’m just referring to possibly outdated package repos which may not have kept up with the forks and all the drama, but I could be easily wrong with outdated info. I haven’t touched my steam deck in a couple months :p

            • @sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              EmuDeck isn’t letting you auto install Yuzu anymore…

              But it does install Ryujinx for you.

              But it doesn’t provide BIOS or prod/title keys, gotta find those on your own.

              There’s also Citron, but EmuDeck just lets you know it exists and won’t auto dl it.

              Ryujinx has a flatpak (though its a fork) in the base Discover store on a Deck running SteamOS, so its just on mainline flathub.

              Yuzu and Citron appear to no longer be on flathub.

    • @x4740N@lemm.ee
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      Well not instantly because you have to wait for your torrent client to download it

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    I love my Steam Deck but it doesn’t have Mario Kart or even anything like it

  • @TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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    There are plenty of complaints you could levy but $90 minimum is obviously a fucking lie. And don’t come at me with 1-2 examples. We all know that’s bullshit.

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      Yeah its $80 minimum which is bad enough no need to lie to exaggerate especially since nintendo never has sales. But lets be real all the good games are gunna be at that price. You know all the games that you would buy a switch for anyways, ie mariokart, mario oddessey 2 or whatever it’s called, super smash, pokemon. The cheaper games will be all the games that you should just buy on another platform.

      Who knows i could be wrong

      Edit sorry misspoke,minimum isn’t 80 but I meant to say if mario kart is 80 that signals to me that most mario Nintendo games like kart, pokemon, etc will likely all be 80 as well. Maybe donkey kong is a little less because it isn’t an established franchise, or maybe the less popular stuff will be a little less.

      That is to say the minimum isn’t 80 but any of the games that you will want to get a switch2 for probably will be close to 80 digital.

      Also it hits harder because Nintendo shit never goes on sale, sure i guess you could argue it holds value or some dumb shit but some of us just want to play games and not spend $1000 on a console and 5 mario games.

      I haven’t been a nintendo customer for a long time, but this will certainly dissuade me from buying a system in the near future

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          It is for certain games only - the games that everyone will be getting a Switch 2 to play.

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        If we are being real you could look up the preorder prices of the games and see that 80 dollars is the maximum.

        I can’t speak for the US but in the EU, some retailers are ignoring the RRP nintendo set and selling games way cheaper.

        Even in the UK, where this isn’t the case, I am seeing £75 for mario kart. Only £5 more than most games cost these days.

        Also £65 for donkey kong which is £5 less than standard.

        I appreciate that nintendo games dont tend to drop in cost over time and perhaps like many others you would prefer to try to justify piracy (to be clear, and fair, i have pirated games,tv and movies of the years, but dont tend to do it much these days) then by all means, dont by these games, dont by the switch 2. But dont lie about what it is and what it costs just to be part of the rage.

        I find it so strange that the people who pirate games are getting mad about the cost of games they are going to pirate anyway. I am not saying thats you, because i dont know you, but a lot of this rage comes from people who were never going to pay for it in the first place. Its baffling.

        But anyway, the point is, if you are going to be mad at it, then at least be mad at what it actually is, yeah?

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          I think an explanation of the rage piracy people have is that they want to not pirate but prices keep going up so they are even more mad that they “have to”

          And no that’s not me. I pirated games long ago when I was broke but frankly it’s easier now to just buy games. I don’t buy too many and I wait for sales when I do. I get not wanting to pay these high prices though. Even broke people ought to be able to play a year old video game for God’s sake. There are some games I waited several years for. Because a $60 game really is worth $40 4 years later, right?

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            That’s totally fair. I, like many, have watched in horror as games get more and more expensive. I dont buy that many anymore either. I dont have as much time to play as i used to.

            If i am being fair, though, the scope of games has changed significantly since the early days of gaming in terms of hours of content and quality of graphics and what they can do. Storylines, cinematics, everything has been slowly becoming bigger since the days of playing streets of rage on a sega genesis and completing it in a few hours. With 3 characters to pick from and a limited set of moves with enemies that get more health, they hit harder but are just a reskin of a previous enemy.

            I dont think 70 or 80 dollars is a good price. It’s too expensive. But i also dont think games should be 30 or 40 dollars brand new.

            But in saying that. There were games back then that cost more than 80 dollars. And n64 games used to cost in the 60 dollar region when they were new. Same with ps1 games. I think over 20 to 30 years for the price of games to have risen by between 10 and 30 dollars is not that crazy, even if they are too expensive now. 60 dollars was a lot more in the 90s than it is today.

            The original ps1 would cost almost 800 dollars in todays money.

            Overall i think nintendo are greedy and they go to far with raising the prices. I just think everyone pointing at nintendo need to remember that its the industry as a whole that has raised prices to where they are, not just nintendo.

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              I’m with you. I feel like games could sanely cost $50-$80 brand new, depending scope, like you said. But I also think keeping those high prices for years is bullshit. It is greed. Honestly though in some cases they could probably make more money (particularly on steam) if they had cheaper prices over time. I waited a very long time to buy RDR2 because I just couldn’t stomach the new price. Took yeaaars to get to . I think $40 on sale. That’s some bullshit. If they dropped like $5 every 6 months they might make even more money and people like me wouldn’t have to wait so long.

              Nintendo never dropping the price is the worst. If some of those games weren’t so good they’d obviously go out of business doing that. They found their niche and exploit it with greed galore. And then despite piracy being hard on their consoles out of the gate… They still ruin lives over it. Fuck that. Pick one Nintendo, never lower prices or prosecute hobbyists. Can’t have both unless you want people to hate you

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          First off i edited my comment.

          Second off if were being pedantic 90 is the maximum

          Third i haven’t pirated games, i buy shit on steam or gog on sale.

          Fourth im not really mad I just don’t think its good value.

          If i am mad at nintendo at all its more for their ip palworld lawsuit bullshit.

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            80 dollars isn’t even the minimum. Donkey Kong is cheaper than that. It’s on nintendos’ official website.

            Yes, 80 dollars is a lot and, in my opinion, too much for games.

            It doesn’t matter. I just think it’s important to get the facts before forming an opinion.

            You are only adding to the rage with misinformation.

            I accept if you say you aren’t mad. But you are clearly not happy with the prices if you are commenting here with the message you sent. So i am saying just get the numbers right before posting.

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              Facts? Oh whatever, were speculating about new Nintendo game prices.

              Only time will tell what variable pricing actually looks like.

              Bro what misinformation lmao, what rage?

              I did try to correct myself but i don’t think im far off. We can come back to this in a year, I think all the new super smash, mario odyssey 2, legend of zelda are 90 for disk which after tax is 100.

              This is a pretty pointless argument ✌️

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                Dude, im not fighting you on this. Why are you being standoffish?

                I agreed with you that it’s too pricey.

                All i said against you is that 80 dollars, so far, applies to one game, mario kart, other games are cheaper.

                The prices are on nintendos website. Look them up.

                So yeah… facts. The ones on nintendos website.

                Did you even look up the prices at retailers? Because it’s even cheaper there.

                The misinformation is the 80 dollars minimum which you corrected from 90 dollars and still got wrong. Thats misinformation as there are already games available for pre order that cost less than that.

                The rage? I mean you are arguing with me instead lf discussing, all of my replies to you so far have been in the spirit of debate. I dont like nintendo. They are a greedy company and they exploit nostalgia and have been milking their very popular forst party games for too long, and it keeps working, which is infuriating. But it doesnt change the fact that you are either lying or misinformed about the current pricing situation.

                So yeah. I stand by what i said and i think you should reign it in a bit and lets just have a conversation.

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    Ah yes, the Deck vs. Switch debate. One offers performance and affordability, the other offers nostalgia at premium prices. Choose your fighter: the powerhouse or the Pokémon tax.

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      Considering the Steam Deck can run just about every console game ever made up to PS2 gen (and a good amount made after), I’d say they have the Switch 2 beat on nostalgia.

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      I still have my GBC with pokemon yellow and a flash cart with (almost, missing the new ones) every GB and GBC rom in existence on it that supports save states, and can emulate many switch games on the deck iirc if I were somehow nostalgic for those, and in fact can emulate basically any nintendo game from history I may be nostalgic for better than the switch, among other games nintendo didn’t make.

      Which one is the real nostalgia machine? (Hint: It’s the Gameboy Color lol)

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      I know I’m not the standard pokemon fan, but showdown still exists if you just like to battle. The in-game gameplay of pokemon has always been a little lackluster to me and I don’t like VGC/doubles.

      ROM hacks can be fun, and I have done some self imposed challenge runs. I can’t see myself finishing any of the Prof oak challenges I did without emu speedup.

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      You can emulate almost any Nintendo game from before 2016 on a steamdeck. Just got to wait a few more years for the switch emulators to get efficient enough to run well on the steam deck!

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      235 days ago

      Steam is clearly playing the long game with Steam Deck and Steam OS, they’re basically trying to slowly normalize portable gaming pcs. If they achieve this Nintendo will not be just facing competition from Steam Deck but from multiple devices from the likes of Asus, Lenovo, Dell (Alienware).

    • @GoodEye8@lemm.ee
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      135 days ago

      Absolutely. Nintendo has huge fanbase with most of them not caring about Nintendo ripping them off and Nintendo has some of the most highly regarded and iconic gaming IPs in the world and Nintendo has insane marketing budget behind the Switch 2 and the switch doubles as a home console.

      I love the Deck but it’s not going to outsell the Switch and I think Valve isn’t interested in pulling people away from the Switch. Valve made the Deck primarily for Steam users and that’s who they’re targeting.

        • @GoodEye8@lemm.ee
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          25 days ago

          On the Steam Deck? Possible. On Steam? I guess technically possible if you add a third party game. But actually on Steam? Nintendo can’t even give a tech demo out for free, I can’t imagine what would have to happen for Nintendo to put their games on Steam.

          You can also play Minecraft on the Steam Deck and technically you can also play Apex Legends on the Deck (if you install Windows and play through that), but all of it depends on the user being a tinkerer. But the casual gamer is not a tinkerer which means those possibilities have next to no impact on the wider market.

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            15 days ago

            I have a feeling there will be an increase in tinkerers as the cost of staying casual continues to increase to unreasonable levels.