John Deere brags about sabotaging competitors & customers on hot mic - they’re PROUD of it!
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Fuck John Deere and their anti-self repair bs.
The individuals using these machines don’t have time to wait for some tech to find the time to get to BFE, Kansas.
In the ever-evolving tapestry of socio-economic structures, where the dance of individualism meets the collective force of organized entities, corporations have emerged as titan-like presences, wielding significant influence and power. The philosophical foundations of free-market capitalism, deeply rooted in the ideas of thinkers like Adam Smith and further cultivated by the likes of Friedrich Hayek, argue for the intrinsic virtues of an unbridled market, where entities, be they individuals or corporations, pursue their objectives with minimal constraints.
Now, let’s venture into a provocative postulate: the idea that corporations, these monolithic embodiments of collective human ambition and capital, should operate with an unfettered hand, devoid of any shackles or constraints. At its core, this suggestion is an amplification of the quintessential libertarian ethos, where the individual’s—or in this case, the corporation’s—right to autonomy and self-determination is held paramount.
By extending this principle to its logical zenith, one might contend that corporations, as amalgamations of human effort and ingenuity, should be granted the latitude to navigate the vast seas of commerce and innovation as they see fit, unencumbered by external impositions. This isn’t merely a statement about market dynamics, but rather, a deep philosophical reflection on the nature of freedom, responsibility, and the interplay between order and chaos in our socio-economic landscape. It’s a call for a pure, unadulterated trust in the self-regulating mechanisms of the market, with the underlying belief that in the grand crucible of competition and innovation, the best outcomes will naturally emerge.
Does this dude severely lack sleep or something ? I don’t understand why his eyes are like this.
Lol he actually made a video about it once because people kept asking him. He said that he went to a doctor and they said he was just ugly.
I dont watch this guy’s videos that often, but coincidentally I saw that one.
Thanks.
He’s Batman and forgot to wipe off the eyeliner
It’s not easy being the only man in the world fighting for right-to-repair laws. Every company he exposes, more life is drained from behind his eyes.
Soulless company used life steal.
Joke aside , his work is really impressive but his fight is already lost if most people just consume ( unrelated , fuck printer companies ) and accept their fate. We need aware citizens and there’s not many of them. We’re kinda doomed.
People accept DRMs and planned obsolescence as if they can’t fight them. They don’t know their strength and thzt if they decide to boycott these shitty companies they’d die.
More like New York bureaucracy
Erm… That’s a thing, but lay a little more context on us.
Hochul isn’t enough to sink the movement, at all. We’ve conquered a foothold into enemy territory (and I mean those words), it’s been sabotaged to be smaller than expected, but so it goes.
I mean moreso on the life steal;
He’s been dealing with NY screwing him for years after they misfiled his business - they didn’t merge his temp license into his actual license once he received it, so when he filed taxes it only applies to the real business license and not the temp license. Because he had the real business license, he no longer had access on his account to see the temp business license. That temp business license then started missing years of tax filings, and they put a lien on his business. Once again, he never knew because he didn’t have that business license on his account. Also, he did not get any mail because whoever fucked up merging the licenses in a spreadsheet did it to 400+ businesses and also replaced the address for all of them with some random PO box in another state. That meant that for years he’d been getting denied for loans to try and expand his business unlike other businesses in the same field, because of something he could never have known about. The only reason he did find out was when he decided to move his business to Texas for a number of other NY related reasons (e.g. them trying to stop him doing business for selling abandoned laptops because he didn’t register them even though he didn’t need to, not giving or responding to inquiries for permits, etc.) And only then once he sold his business and had 1M sitting in his bank account did the bank act nice and give him am agent who then relayed that there had been a lien for almost a decade
Yeesh. People wonder why us new Yorkers are such hard-asses out of the gate, then you see this kind of fuckery.
Nobody protects us better than ourselves, especially when it comes to the shitbag NYPD.
Thanks for the background on that, his shop wasn’t the only one getting the squeeze that I used to frequent. I mean hell, Chinatown is a shadow of it’s 1999 self.
probably a combination of fatigue, aging and genetics, there’s nothing wrong with it
I said nothing about it being wrong. I genuinely wanted to know because he’s the only person I’ve ever seen with these constant fatigue eyes.
Check out Steve Mould on YouTube, his science explanation videos are actually fantastic, and his eyes look like he’s not slept in a week, permanently. Just how he looks, it’s so strange 😂
He does look like it but our friend above is on a whole another league. Lol
Google FourTet he is a DJ/Producer and he is like Louis’ twin.
he looks normal to me. he looks like he is not wearing makeup while on a camera, but aside from nixon comparisons that isn’t a crime.
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Gotta be a raccoon somewhere down the family tree.
The only logical explanation.
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Sounds like a screamy no context statement in vague cannibalistic threat form, fed made.
Make a new tractor company
you have to already be rich for that. instead, eat the rich.
Not necessarily. A bunch of us could band together and fund a bunch of folks who are good at building shit and just commission them to design and build new tractors that are easily repairable – preferably electric too – and then sell them. And this effort could be incorporated as a non-profit, which itself legally can own businesses and those businesses could sell them at a profit, and kill off John Deere’s shitty-ass company and any other shitbirds that want to take away consumers’ rights to own their own products.
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your definition of “something actionable” is:
- organize $0.5-1 bn in funding (<1 % of deere market cap, seemed reasonable given the cost per unit and r&d time to develop a whole new automotive platform)
- spend 5-10 years developing a new platform, and manufacturing to support anything remotely resembling the scope of american agriculture
- ???
- profit
did i get that right?
cause i think your definition of “something actionable” is a bit far-fetched.
now its fair to say “well didn’t john deere do that?” and the answer is…no. not at all.
You’re incorrect with your item number one, as far as being able to take an invention from the drawing board to actual product ready to be sold.
Under the right conditions it can be done for a lot less is what you’ve stated.
I am “incorrect” with an extreme hypothetical estimate?
on the one hand, :o !!!
on the other hand, where is your plan to replace john deere on, say, $150m (you said a lot less than 500m, so im picking 150 as ‘a lot less’)
That tells you all you need to know about how other people really are.
That tells you all you need to know about how other people really are.
whats the last manufacturing company you started?
Why in the world would I doxx myself just to win an argument?
You’re a prat.
Because it’s idiotic and non-actionable. I didn’t down vote him though. I say go ahead and try it, see how far you get. John Deer has lots of money, it’s not like they wouldn’t act to stop you. They’ll sue you into oblivion and they won’t even need a case with merit to drive your little startup into the ground. They’ll just outspend you, not to mention they’ll have consolidated supply lines that you’ll need and that they will not share. The first rule of capitalism is that competition is not to be tolerated.
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If someone challenges you to a fist fight, don’t fist fight them. They want you to fist fight them because it gives them advantage. They’ve trained and prepared for fist fights their entire life. You are doing them a favor by fighting them by their rules. You have to fight them on your terms, playing your own game. Whatever your game is, that’s the way you have to face them. harrass, sabotage and disrupt. Failing that, guillotines are a very fun game indeed.
taking on a business, with business is like wresting a pig. You’ll both get dirty and the pig likes it.
Look up Edison Motors. A literal logger in Canada is beating out every truck company with investors. People are excited and lining up to buy them (logging companies anyway).
What he’s doing with logging trucks can be done with tractors.
Wow, that’s a cool little company. Also, “Stealing Tesla’s Ideas”, ha.
Related to the sibling comment, good ideas are rarely the whole story to a company’s success. Execution (and luck) matter.
I’m going to need to read up more on them. The jump from “regular truck drivers who do repairs” to “so we put a locomotive drivetrain in our truck” is too big and I think it’s really the key to them getting off the ground.
You should look up all the companies that failed to do that, then look up survivorship bias.
What is it? 90% of companies fail in under 3 years?
I get it. Still cool to see someone try and try well.
Your have to be rich yourself to get away with reading the rich.
Remove barriers to the creation of new firms.
EAT THE RICH CAPTIALISM SUCKS
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TIL Kubota is the Brother Printers option for tractors. Good to know!
Are brother printer still good? I thought they started doing the ink DRM thing and other bullshit too.
I have a brother color laser from 2013 that’s still printing awesome. toner cartridges are $200 for all 4 colors, but I only replaced them in 2015, 2019, and at the beginning of this summer - getting a few thousand pages out of each, conservatively. it’s not a glossy photoprinter, but if you just need high res document prints, I cannot recommend it enough. wifi, cat5, driver is built in to windows 10/11, works fine with android and linux too.
yup. I never thought I’d feel evangelistic about a brand of printers but holy hell did everyone else race to the bottom of the shit barrel in this entire category. so here we are, praise brother lol, they’re COMPETENT.
I run a multifunction colour Brother as well. I’ve used it with Brother and various other brands of toner without issues. It will keep printing even if a cartridge is empty. Finding consumables is easy. It runs great from Linux (duplex scans and prints), Windows and mobiles through the LAN. It’s a great machine. You can even override the “low toner” alarm and basically double the life of your cartridges (maybe shake them a bit beforehand). You just swap them out when the quality visibly degrades. I think I bought it for about 400€, it was well worth it.
My 5 year old brother color laser is awesome. Cheap to run and toner doesn’t dry out, and it doesn’t wake up in the middle of the night and clean (i.e. use up) the ink.
However having seem comments like this, I think I will hold off on any firmware updates.
Sorta. My old MFP Brother apparently has a firmware update available that makes it aware of the toner brand and I just ignore it. It’s not as bad as HP where a low level of ink turns the machine into a brick.
I’ve never had need for a tractor, but if I did, I wouldn’t buy their shit.
I’d be all about the Lamborghini tractors.
“Yeah I drive a Lambo.”
Eat the rich.
Sounds like another industry in dire need of competition. Makes sense that they’re fighting tooth and nail to keep a deathgrip on what they’ve still got (for now).
There is competition - New Holland, Massey Ferguson, Case IH, etc… The problem is that despite all the anti-consumer nonsense John Deere still tops the lists as the best option.
I’ll move my goalposts a bit then. The industry needs more significant competition for that top spot. It’s not an area I know much about though, just what I’ve picked up from discussions like this about how they respond when people get the crazy idea that they own the equipment they paid for.
query because I am not a farmer: Is Deere tops because they make products that are superior / better bang-for-buck, or is it just hometown advantage of no shipping/delivery overhead, tarrifs/taxes/import fees etc?
Honestly I don’t know. All three I listed are American or have American production facilities (New Holland was founded in PA, and still has a facility there, but is owned by an Italian company).
Deere has the most massive dealer network in the U.S./Canada. So when looking for a part farmers have an easier time finding them. In other places of the world the competition is much more fierce and they don’t compete as well.
As for quality of equipment, Deere makes stuff about average. It’s not terrible but it’s not great.
Other companies have specialized in some things and make vastly better equipment.
New Holland/Massey F has the best swathers and bailers.
Kubota has the best small tractors.
CLAAS has the best choppers and combines.
Deere has the most massive dealer network in the U.S./Canada. So when looking for a part farmers have an easier time finding them.
I have no doubt that this is caused at least partly by the decline of keeping spare parts on the shelf in a warehouse, something most companies did before everyone shifted to ‘just in time’ inventory management because it saved money up front.
But as it turns out ‘just in time’ doesnt work so great when a farmer needs a part right this moment since it relies on ordering then shipping only whats needed.
It probably made Deere’s dealer network look pretty good by comparison since they (presumably) stock parts that another farm store down the road doesnt carry.>
There’s also legislation ( at least in Canada) that requires a manufacturer to have parts for machines less than a decade old to be readily available. A “machine down” order is 3 days or they can explain to the ag minister why they can’t comply.
I wouldn’t trade our 569 for anything else. We’ve had Case and Heston balers, they’re kinda meh and break way more often than if seen on our Deere’s. As for the rest, well parts availability is king.
There’s plenty of competition; the problem isn’t the proprietary firmware, it’s the expensive parts. You can still fix 99% of a machine yourself, you might have to get a tech out to put a CANbus ID into the computer so a new part that you put on works.
But it still comes down to the fact that the competition don’t make as good/productive of a machine, and parts availability, even if they are expensive, is key. I’ve paid $1000 for a part I could make myself on a mill, but it would take me a day and I’d lose $100,000 of lost production on that machine because rain is coming.
That’s fair, there’s definitely more to it than just having the capability when you’re also dealing with weather and other factors that impact your deadlines. I’m not a fan of equipment manufacturers who exploit their stranglehold on their customers even though I see why it happens.
Very interesting to hear a user’s perspective.
This is probably the first time I’ve made a comment like this on a thread about Deere that hasn’t been downvoted into the basement. People don’t want to hear about what the ground truth of this situation is, they want to hate a company that they haven’t ever actually dealt with.
Don’t get me wrong, I would like to see Deere stop some of their practices, particularly using opensource software like Linux to power their devices and then selling them at steep prices to farmers that sometimes barely have enough money to fix a tire on one of these machines. But the “unrepairability” of Deere equipement is massively misunderstood by most of these armchair warriors, including Rossman.
On the plus side, the uproar has given us the ability to go buy a diagnostic computer from Deere now for the low, low prices of $26,000. It takes a lot of $100 tech visits to make that pay.
I don’t think anyone’s suggesting that right-to-repair replaces repair options from the OEM, but it’s a critical option to have in a functional product support ecosystem and Deer’s trying to cut it out entirely.
I’m sure those competitors will successfully sue them for <1% of their yearly profit in damages, plus they’ll suffer a single employee’s salary amount in fines.
Every mobbing bicth is a loud mouthed sunt.
They only seem popular on high subsidy farms.
Yeah I don’t know how anyone could compel themselves to buy one. Do they really have that much of a monopoly on the industry? Is their tech that much further advanced? I genuinely don’t know.
What is the best, more ethical alternative? Growing up my dad had New Holland and we liked them. Eventually I’ll be going more rural and choosing a route to take and it sure as shit won’t be John Deere.
One? Probably not. A fleet of 5-20 to tend a thousand or more acres, I can see that. They’ve basically got the things able to run on autopilot for many processes
This is the natural result of what we vote for every two years.
The result of vote is only as good at the voting system used and the people voting. A more representative voting system leads to more public representation in government, which would likely improve the lives of the voters who will vote next time.
You’re much more optimistic than I am.
I’m not sure about that. A party that ‘wins’ under first-past-the-post/winner-take-all is unlikly to change the voting system such that they would be less likely to get into power next time. I have no idea of the path to changing the voting system. I hope intoducing people to other voting systems helps.
Is it? I don’t remember seeing a guy running for Congress that promised he’d prevent huge corporations from running rough shod over everything.
People like saying stuff like “just vote better”, but the fact is the vast majority of people that run for any office are pro-big business because that’s their background and the lobbyists give them lots of money to get elected. Where’s the anti-big business guy going to get his money to run? And without money, you sure aren’t winning.
Through lobbying, corporations have us all by the balls. It doesn’t matter what side of the isle you’re on; both sides have basically been endorsed by big money.
I don’t remember seeing a guy running for Congress that promised he’d prevent huge corporations from running rough shod over everything.
What we need is ranked voting so someone like that might have a chance on the ballot.
We need to vote on bills directly, having representatives is stupid.
Campaign finance reform is necessary to tackle big business interests out for regulatory capture. Shift some of that subsidy into funding campaigns so the little guy stands a chance against them and their billionaire club.
Is he airbrushing his thumbnails? , he’s so shiny
Being able to repair products you own gives you a natural warm glow
